[Politics] Brexit

[Thunder Bolt]

Whoops, there goes the coalition.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...eal-confidence-supply-agreement-a8633896.html

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

NEW - on @skynews shortly:
Reliable source tells me Withdrawal Deal text contains

- No unilateral exit from backstop

- Large annexe on level playing field

 

[ManOfSussex]

May to resign/vote of no confidence?

Leadership contest ahoy?

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[Thunder Bolt]

It's all about immigration, isn't it?

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[Herr Tubthumper]

This is brilliant! The Tories party is disintegrating in front of our eyes

 

[beorhthelm]

for all the arguing and pontificating on both sides, im reminded of the Python dirty knife sketch. this is only the withdrawal agreement, we dont know what the future agreement would be.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

It's all about immigration, isn't it?

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Well, if that's true the leavers will be very happy tonight.
It was always about immigration, they did not look at, understand or consider anything else except maybe straight Bananas from the slightly more intelligent of them.
Your children and their children will never forgive us for doing this too them.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

It's all about immigration, isn't it?

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As long as we are out of the EU it’s what was voted for

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I know people have been hopping mad at Corbyn and his refusal to back a second referendum but I believe that his strategy is to leave with no deal. It would mean absolute economic disaster for the country and the worst effects would be felt autumn/winter 2021 - just before the next GE. The Tories would be wiped out (the economic fallout would be far,far worse than Black Wednesday and the 2008 crash) and Corbyn would have a completely free hand.

I'm convinced that's the Labour strategy but, of course, they can't say out loud that they're hoping for economic pain

Maybe but I'm not sure he's that far-thinking. His lifetime in politcs has been exemplified by unswerving and strategically suicidal conviction politics, with no eye whatsoever for long term success.


Until he mysteriously became labour leader through the naivity of patronizing labour centrists.

I can't see him sitting on a hat for 2 years with a view to pulling out a rabbit. On the other hand I can see him contributing to a 'temporary' crisis in the hope that he will emerge as the nation's saviour.

Politics......a weird old game.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Rule Britannia eh?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yay, at last a grown up on the thread with different view to me that doesn't call me thick or talk down with knowledge they don't have!!! Thank you sir!

To compare me to Corbyn is a worry!! lol I hate the little weasel.

For what its worth, I think brexit is inevitable. It's going to happen. Will it be pretty. No chance! It's going to be a complete mess, and I can see it being delayed for a year or so, but I am certain it will happen.

As a lifelong Tory, I hoped we had the new Mrs T when May got the job. But the women is an embarrassment, as is the Tory party for leaving her in power when we made such a mess of the last General Election. Surely any one with any sense would not have out this woman in charge of negotiating the buying buying of biscuits for afternoon tea, yet she is still PM, and IMO is challenging Gordon Brown for the worst PM in my 50 or so years, and I never thought I would see that happen.

But whilst I think it will be a mess, I don't think a no deal will be as bad as everyone thinks it will be. I just look at at the panic and lies about what would happen if we voted to leave the EU. Sure the pound dipped, but all the panic and pain that was pridicted to happened straight after the vote didn't. I am sure there is a harsh year or so ahead, but nothing that will be too drastic,

As for the EU, without us I think they are buggered. How long will or can Germany prop it up? Worryingly the far right is starting to get a hold across Europe, and I don't see this reserving when we leave the EU. If fact I think it's going to get a lot worse. How long can it survive off the back of Germany. Germany will want more and more say to keep its people happy, and they will get it. If they become the main or only contributors, they will have to have more power or the far right will continue to gain strength, and we will know how that could end up.

I think its a much wider problem facing Europe that the UK leaving the EU. If we were to remain, I think the EU will still go down, and Germany will rise, but without us I think its going to happen a lot quicker than people.

As for the UK, I think after the first year or so, we will flourish. I don't think we need the EU as much as people think.

As for PM May, the sooner this waste of space is removed the better, but what alternative is there.

What opposition is there!? Corbyn should be miles ahead in the polls right now. Labour would be just as bad, if not worse than the Tory's. That's more of a problem in my eyes than Brexit, the weakness of politics over all. For years the average person view has been suppressed to the point your racist, sexist, or what ever elseist, is you do not agree with the vocal minority. And from that, the far right, or far left (they merge into one if they go far enough) are rising, and that is going to be bad news for everyone.

Off course the country can worry about Brexit, Snowflakes, what Corbyn is wearing, who's going to win big brother, and who is shagging who on Strictly, but under the surface I think there is a timebomb waiting to go off, and it will probably go bang in Europe first, and a lot sooner than people are ready for. Now I've got to get back to work so earn my fortune, so I can **** off South when it all goes Pete Tong.

Cheers, squire. Good chat.

 

[vegster]

After trying do the impossible of reconciling both sides of her party to a fudged, cobbled together deal her phone bleeps a reminder " 19.30, Meeting Arlene for chat "

 

[Thunder Bolt]

May to resign/vote of no confidence?

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[ManOfSussex]

Looks like The Honorable Member for the 18th Century and his oddball chums are indeed making their move as Sam Coates suggested.

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[Baldseagull]

I stand corrected and my memory fades. I thought there was a huge stink in the papers when Sheffield was hit by a French manufactured missile...but perhaps that was fake news at the time.

It is true that HMS Sheffield was hit by the French made Exocet, but the Argentines had only five of the missiles, which it had acquired before the conflict, and was not able to get more because France would not sell. I believe Peru tried to buy some on Argentinas behalf but were refused also.

 

[lawros left foot]

So, it would appear that Brexit doesn’t mean Brexit, who’d have thought it.

 

[Eeyore]

She only needs a 50+1 majority to win a vote of no confidence. If she does the the ERG are stuffed for another year.

 

[clapham_gull]

Cabinet agrees but we won't till what until tomorrow.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Thankfully it should not get through Parliament.
Amazing that Tory MPs and opposition still have no idea what the outlines are, let alone the people/idiots that voted for it and people croak on about democracy.

 

[pb21]

Presumably if the cabinet think it's ok and the brexiteers within it endorse the proposal, parliament may do also.