[Politics] Brexit

[JC Footy Genius]

If you want to play this card....I’ll point out it wasn’t a legally binding and was merely guidance to the government at the time. That government is long gone....no one has any legal obligation to it now.

This has been done to death but just to remind you the then government said they would enact the result ... parliament voted by a huge majority to enact the result ... we also had a general election where both main parties committed to enact the result in their manifestos ... including the current government. The democratic and moral obligation to honour the outcome is overwhelming.

 

[pb21]

This has been done to death but just to remind you the then government said they would enact the result ... parliament voted by a huge majority to enact the result ... we also had a general election where both main parties committed to enact the result in their manifestos ... including the current government. The democratic and moral obligation to honour the outcome is overwhelming.

It is. The democratic process is also still ongoing, it never stops, it wouldn't be democratic if it did. The democratic process may play out whereby it is democratically found that the democratic and moral obligation is that we don't leave the EU. I don't see why that is so hard to grasp.

I think you, and others, do grasp it though. You just like to pertain a faux high horse stance that you can only be democratic if you agree that we should leave the EU at all costs, and use that as a platform to beat down the dirty remainers who even suggest something different. Which is obviously a big steaming pile of dog turd of an argument

 

[vegster]

If you want to play this card....I’ll point out it wasn’t a legally binding and was merely guidance to the government at the time. That government is long gone....no one has any legal obligation to it now.

Hilarious that these people feel so strongly about Democracy and insist it must be " Honoured " despite the fact we are driving headlong in to a brick wall.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This has been done to death but just to remind you the then government said they would enact the result ... parliament voted by a huge majority to enact the result ... we also had a general election where both main parties committed to enact the result in their manifestos ... including the current government. The democratic and moral obligation to honour the outcome is overwhelming.

You make an offer on a house, and it is accepted. You then do a search and have surveys done, and realise there is massive subsidence, the drains are blocked, it has rising damp and dry rot.
You honour the deal?

No, of course not. Ministers are resigning, and cannot even agree amongst themselves what they want.
Article 50 should not have been activated until the government had decided what plan they were going for.
Then they have the stupidity and cheek to blame the EU.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

https://twitter.com/Damage_13/status/1054064765184684032?s=19

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You make an offer on a house, and it is accepted. You then do a search and have surveys done, and realise there is massive subsidence, the drains are blocked, it has rising damp and dry rot.
You honour the deal?

No, of course not. Ministers are resigning, and cannot even agree amongst themselves what they want.
Article 50 should not have been activated until the government had decided what plan they were going for.
Then they have the stupidity and cheek to blame the EU.

But you've got to exchange of contracts ( like the Wothdrawl Agreement ) and then you decide to back out ...... so you lose your deposit.

Regardless, it's a crap analogy as you don't have millions of people agreeing to the original plan to buy the house.

 

[astralavi]

https://twitter.com/Damage_13/status/1054064765184684032?s=19

That was an interesting read and it connected link http://efta4uk.eu/kobayashi-maru/

But does efta solve the border issue?

 

[CHAPPERS]

Aaaaand Jo Johnson quits as Transport Minister.

This whole ****ing mess has paralysed this country. ****ing Tories.

 

[Stat Brother]

Aaaaand Jo Johnson quits as Transport Minister.

This whole ****ing mess has paralysed this country. ****ing Tories.

[tweet]1060921616937443328[/tweet]

 

[Argartu]

Aaaaand Jo Johnson quits as Transport Minister.

This whole ****ing mess has paralysed this country. ****ing Tories.

How many cabinet members has May lost this year? It must be pushing double figures by now?!?

 

[drew]

Oh my god! I had not realised people could not change their minds!

Of course they can't, after all, we live in a democracy.

 

[drew]

How many cabinet members has May lost this year? It must be pushing double figures by now?!?

Just trying to keep up with the Joneses (sorry, meant the Trumpses).

 

[golddene]

But you've got to exchange of contracts ( like the Wothdrawl Agreement ) and then you decide to back out ...... so you lose your deposit.

Regardless, it's a crap analogy as you don't have millions of people agreeing to the original plan to buy the house.

or many many millions voting against it either?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

It is. The democratic process is also still ongoing, it never stops, it wouldn't be democratic if it did. The democratic process may play out whereby it is democratically found that the democratic and moral obligation is that we don't leave the EU. I don't see why that is so hard to grasp.

I think you, and others, do grasp it though. You just like to pertain a faux high horse stance that you can only be democratic if you agree that we should leave the EU at all costs, and use that as a platform to beat down the dirty remainers who even suggest something different. Which is obviously a big steaming pile of dog turd of an argument

Democratic results are enacted in this country (for very good reasons) ... only a very special type of precious would argue this long standing UK tradition should suddenly stop because they didn't get their way.

 

[vegster]

[tweet]1060921616937443328[/tweet]

A damning indictment of the entire fiasco.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

How many cabinet members has May lost this year? It must be pushing double figures by now?!?

I don't know but Jo Johnson wasn't a member of the cabinet.

 

[BrickTamland]

Democratic results are enacted in this country (for very good reasons) ... only a very special type of precious would argue this long standing UK tradition should suddenly stop because they didn't get their way.

How many cases have there been where the time between the vote and the actual implementation have been so great? How many instances where what was voted for and what will happen are so different? How many cases where most probably the population would vote the opposite given a new vote based on both the political and demographic changes?

What tradition deals with that?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Democratic results are enacted in this country (for very good reasons) ... only a very special type of precious would argue this long standing UK tradition should suddenly stop because they didn't get their way.

"Is it more democratic to rely on a three year old vote based on what an idealised Brexit might offer, or to have a vote based on what we know it does actually entail?"

Not my words footy genius, but Jo Johnson - https://medium.com/@JoJohnsonUK/why...governments-proposed-brexit-deal-3d289f95f2bc

'To present the nation with a choice between two deeply unattractive outcomes, vassalage and chaos, is a failure of British statecraft on a scale unseen since the Suez crisis.'

'Certainly, I know from my own work at the Department of Transport the potential chaos that will follow a “no deal” Brexit. It will cause disruption, delay and deep damage to our economy. There are real questions about how we will be able to guarantee access to fresh food and medicine if the crucial Dover-Calais trade route is clogged up. The government may have to take control of prioritising which lorries and which goods are allowed in and out of the country, an extraordinary and surely unworkable intervention for a government in an advanced capitalist economy. The prospect of Kent becoming the Lorry Park of England is very real in a no deal scenario.'

"Britain stands on the brink of the greatest crisis since the Second World War. My loyalty to my party is undimmed. I have never rebelled on any issue before now. But my duty to my constituents and our great nation has forced me to act."

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Hilarious that these people feel so strongly about Democracy and insist it must be " Honoured " despite the fact we are driving headlong in to a brick wall.

Fortunately, many people believe honouring the outcome of democratic elections and commitments made in manifestos is no laughing matter including large numbers of remainers. Remoaners/ undemocratic loons obviously have little respect for these democratic norms which is probably why they are such big fans of the EU.

 

[Stat Brother]

A damning indictment of the entire fiasco.

Although he was rubbish after winning the World Snooker Championship.