Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Citizens of Eire have never had immigration rules applied to them coming to the UK,without reciprocation.Wonder if this will still apply after Brexit?
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Citizens of Eire have never had immigration rules applied to them coming to the UK,without reciprocation.Wonder if this will still apply after Brexit?
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Maybe it will make more sense if he makes it into a jpeg
I will leave the jpegs to you,as you seem to like Mystic Meg so much.Or have you stopped after being called Archbishop?
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Looks like Brexit might mean Trexit before it means Brexit
That's not true at all. Irish citizens have the right to live in the UK, British citizens have the right to live in ROI; there are also reciprocal voting rights. It's an arrangement that has nothing to do with Brexit and the government has made clear that there are changes to this arrangement.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...and-irish-nationals-in-the-common-travel-area
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,026
yes, its almost as if we dont need a third party to come in and insist what we do, let us sort it out as we have previously.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,878
Rubbish.
Which is why Dublin looks so attractive to many service based industries based in the UK who primarily deal in the EU.
They can even move their UK staff (with a UK passport) without any issues at all.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...e_in_ireland/residence_rules_UK_citizens.html
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You really do talk some total and utter shite at times.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,786
Corrected for you
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Monday club down at Spoons innit!!
Sounds like every thicko brexiteer on this thread. Clueless.
What happened to all the eloquent rational Brexiteer posters on this thread?
There did used to be a couple but they soon realised they proper chunked this and quite rightly decided to politely withdraw out of shame. We are left with 4 or 5 rabid brexiteers who don’t have the sense to realise they proper ****ed the U.K. but have failed at life so have nothing to lose anyway. Shame. Shame. Shame.
nicko31
Well-known member
Hardliners are going to hate to direction of the new Editor at the Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.https://ww...AIL-COMMENT-Saboteurs-endangering-nation.html
I still believe the biggest danger to Brexit happening is the Brexiteers themselves, their hard line approach is completely unworkable and would be a calamitous for Britain.
https://www.dailymail.co.https://ww...AIL-COMMENT-Saboteurs-endangering-nation.html
I still believe the biggest danger to Brexit happening is the Brexiteers themselves, their hard line approach is completely unworkable and would be a calamitous for Britain.
mikeyjh
Well-known member
I don't know if there could be a better stereotype of what some of us think that rabid brexiteers look and sound like than this tragic example:-
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https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/business/grants-and-financial-support/european-resource-procurement
This is where the remain campaign failed, not highlighting how much these areas benefit from our EU membership. Let’s hope for these people’s sake we can turn this round. Irony is, they would never know how much they stood to lose.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Analysis piece here in The Times today on the various factions within The Government:
Sceptical cabinet waverers
A powerful group including the home secretary Sajid Javid, the foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt and attorney general Geoffrey Cox. In a divided cabinet the prime minister cannot pursue any strategy or make any trade-off without their backing. In the past few days they have been instrumental in shaping the internal debate over Brexit and pushing the prime minister to take a harder stance on Northern Ireland.
Power rating: 5/5
Brexiteer cabinet resignation watch
In its inner circle this group probably contains just two Brexit supporting members — the work and pensions secretary Esther McVey and the international development secretary Penny Mordaunt. Politically, the prime minister could probably survive their departure — but if other key Brexiteers such as Michael Gove or Liam Fox were to walk, her position would probably become untenable.
Power rating: 4/5
Remain cabinet resignation watch
Much less talked about is the, albeit small, potential for key cabinet ministers who support a soft Brexit to resign should Mrs May change her stance under pressure from Brexiteers. In this the chancellor Philip Hammond and the business secretary Greg Clark are key. Both have staked their reputations on a deal that will protect business from disruption and were instrumental in crafting and backing what became the Chequers plan. Should that be rejected then they might consider their positions.
Power rating: 3/5
The let’s have a new idea brigade
Led by the former minister Nick Boles this group is pushing for a completely new negotiating strategy. They are calling for the government to scrap transition and negotiate a new withdrawal agreement under which the UK would remain linked to single market and customs union for an unspecified period of time until a looser Canada-style free trade agreement could be negotiated.This would be very similar in the short term to the relationship which Norway has with the EU with a customs union. The idea is gaining traction in Westminster among Tories looking for a way out of Chequers — but it could not be negotiated by March and it is hard to see how the EU would be prepared to accept it, because in the long term it doesn’t deal with the Irish border question.
Power rating: 3/5
Brexit Delivery Group
This group represents a broad church of dissatisfied MPs who used to be May loyalists. It might be prepared to accept a Chequers-style compromise or a new strategy as outlined above. They have only limited loyalty to the prime minister now but the central tenet of their belief is that a Brexit agreement has to be reached that avoids the consequences of no deal at all.
Power rating: 2/5
Hard Brexit European Research Group
Mobilised and disciplined Brexiteers who are firmly on manoeuvres behind Jacob Rees-Mogg, chairman of the European Research Group, and the former Brexit minister Steve Baker. They are determined to kill off the kind of compromise deal on the Irish border that Mrs May is negotiating. So far they have insisted that want to change Brexit policy and not prime minister. But if Mrs May refuses to move then they may try and change both.
Power rating: 4/5
Paramilitary Brexiteers
This much smaller group, that includes Andrew Bridgen and Andrea Jenkins, have already taken a public stance against the prime minister and want to see her gone. Some in this category whisper that securing Brexit is more important than continuing with a Conservative government.
Power rating: 1/5
Soft Brexiteers/May loyalists
Pro-business, remain-minded Tory MPs including the former transport minister Stephen Hammond. They want a customs union and membership of the European Free Trade Association, which includes Norway and Switzerland. This group broadly supports Chequers and balks at ERG pressure for Mrs May to change course. However, support for this position is shrinking fast given no real tangible results have come from the Chequers proposals so far. Frustration and concern with the way the prime minister has handled the process is now also a factor and loyalty to Mrs May has always been skin deep. Should a leadership election be triggered by 49 Brexiteers moving against her the bulk of the parliamentary party can no longer be guaranteed to support the prime minister to see it off. The only thing that is keeping her in place is the lack of a credible alternative.
Power rating: 4/5
Second referendum supporters
This has traditionally been a small group of pro-European Tories — led by Anna Soubry — but it is gaining traction as the political deal lock continues. Some Tories now believe up to 50 of their colleagues could ultimately back a second poll — if that was an alternative to leaving without a deal. If a second referendum got Labour frontbench backing this would potentially be enough to get it through the House of Commons.
Power rating: 2/5
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-party-factions-who-could-bring-may-down-over-brexit-fw9vcr3r2
Sceptical cabinet waverers
A powerful group including the home secretary Sajid Javid, the foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt and attorney general Geoffrey Cox. In a divided cabinet the prime minister cannot pursue any strategy or make any trade-off without their backing. In the past few days they have been instrumental in shaping the internal debate over Brexit and pushing the prime minister to take a harder stance on Northern Ireland.
Power rating: 5/5
Brexiteer cabinet resignation watch
In its inner circle this group probably contains just two Brexit supporting members — the work and pensions secretary Esther McVey and the international development secretary Penny Mordaunt. Politically, the prime minister could probably survive their departure — but if other key Brexiteers such as Michael Gove or Liam Fox were to walk, her position would probably become untenable.
Power rating: 4/5
Remain cabinet resignation watch
Much less talked about is the, albeit small, potential for key cabinet ministers who support a soft Brexit to resign should Mrs May change her stance under pressure from Brexiteers. In this the chancellor Philip Hammond and the business secretary Greg Clark are key. Both have staked their reputations on a deal that will protect business from disruption and were instrumental in crafting and backing what became the Chequers plan. Should that be rejected then they might consider their positions.
Power rating: 3/5
The let’s have a new idea brigade
Led by the former minister Nick Boles this group is pushing for a completely new negotiating strategy. They are calling for the government to scrap transition and negotiate a new withdrawal agreement under which the UK would remain linked to single market and customs union for an unspecified period of time until a looser Canada-style free trade agreement could be negotiated.This would be very similar in the short term to the relationship which Norway has with the EU with a customs union. The idea is gaining traction in Westminster among Tories looking for a way out of Chequers — but it could not be negotiated by March and it is hard to see how the EU would be prepared to accept it, because in the long term it doesn’t deal with the Irish border question.
Power rating: 3/5
Brexit Delivery Group
This group represents a broad church of dissatisfied MPs who used to be May loyalists. It might be prepared to accept a Chequers-style compromise or a new strategy as outlined above. They have only limited loyalty to the prime minister now but the central tenet of their belief is that a Brexit agreement has to be reached that avoids the consequences of no deal at all.
Power rating: 2/5
Hard Brexit European Research Group
Mobilised and disciplined Brexiteers who are firmly on manoeuvres behind Jacob Rees-Mogg, chairman of the European Research Group, and the former Brexit minister Steve Baker. They are determined to kill off the kind of compromise deal on the Irish border that Mrs May is negotiating. So far they have insisted that want to change Brexit policy and not prime minister. But if Mrs May refuses to move then they may try and change both.
Power rating: 4/5
Paramilitary Brexiteers
This much smaller group, that includes Andrew Bridgen and Andrea Jenkins, have already taken a public stance against the prime minister and want to see her gone. Some in this category whisper that securing Brexit is more important than continuing with a Conservative government.
Power rating: 1/5
Soft Brexiteers/May loyalists
Pro-business, remain-minded Tory MPs including the former transport minister Stephen Hammond. They want a customs union and membership of the European Free Trade Association, which includes Norway and Switzerland. This group broadly supports Chequers and balks at ERG pressure for Mrs May to change course. However, support for this position is shrinking fast given no real tangible results have come from the Chequers proposals so far. Frustration and concern with the way the prime minister has handled the process is now also a factor and loyalty to Mrs May has always been skin deep. Should a leadership election be triggered by 49 Brexiteers moving against her the bulk of the parliamentary party can no longer be guaranteed to support the prime minister to see it off. The only thing that is keeping her in place is the lack of a credible alternative.
Power rating: 4/5
Second referendum supporters
This has traditionally been a small group of pro-European Tories — led by Anna Soubry — but it is gaining traction as the political deal lock continues. Some Tories now believe up to 50 of their colleagues could ultimately back a second poll — if that was an alternative to leaving without a deal. If a second referendum got Labour frontbench backing this would potentially be enough to get it through the House of Commons.
Power rating: 2/5
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-party-factions-who-could-bring-may-down-over-brexit-fw9vcr3r2
mikeyjh
Well-known member
I suspect that the nuances of EU funding probably wouldn't be enough to sway this specimen but I do agree with your broader point. The campaign (both sides) could have been held from a much more fact based approach, allowing people to make a more educated opinion.
Quite. That pig ****er Cameron couldn’t conceive the British public would be thick enough to vote us out of the Union so didn’t even bother trying to explain such matters. Course he underestimated how moronic 52% of those that voted could be. Now he’s over in France with his trotters up and we are left to the mercy of the idiots here.