- Jul 10, 2003
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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- Jul 10, 2003
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Is this 'Withdraw article 50' or something else you've made up.
And I take it we can now agree that 4 weeks ago you didn't know what you wanted ?
larus
Well-known member
You're ability to look something up on Google, read the headline and misinterpret it is becoming legendary. You are managing to mix up 'The EU' and ' The World' again
The EU (I've attached images if it helps)
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Chequers Deal
If we make an agreement with 'The EU', we can have borders, no borders, customs, no customs, unicorns pirouetting up and down the border. We can agree anything we like between ourselves and the EU as to what happens on the Ireland/NI issue, and as long as we both agree, problem solved.
The World.
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No Deal
If we leave with 'no deal' we have to agree our trading situation with the WORLD Trading Organisation. They like the countries that are trading under them to have borders and customs. This is the organisation that you have been claiming for the last god knows how long doesn't need borders or customs to implement their rules and tariffs. (And, more recently you've also been claiming that post a 'no deal' Brexit, they will all wait while we and the EU try and negotiate an FTA after leaving)
Can you see the difference ?
Now see if you can guess which organisation Mr Barnier represents and which solution his views will effect ?
Now, as you know, I am the first to leap to the defence of Brexiteers when certain posters on here claim they are all thick. But you really aren't helping me at all here, are you
Trying to debate with you is like trying to debate with a lump of slime. Always moving (that’s one similarity - as you seem to like insults). I realise that you like to change the emphasis to suit your own agenda, but there are 2 distinct issues. The first is trade and the NI border and the second is WTO rules.
You’ve gone on in the past about the NI border and WTO rules. I think if the EU are now admitting that there can be a technological solution to not have a hard border, then they must be confident that this would satisfy WTO rules. But, for some reason only known to you (I’ll give you a clue - it’s called delusion), you seem to think that you know more than the UK and the EU.
The stumbling block has been the hard border in NI. Irrespective of anything else Barnier has stated, he has clearly said that a technological solution can be considered for the NI border. So this is about preserving the GFA and at the same time, ensuring that they (the EU) don’t breach WTO rules. If they aren’t in breach, then neither are we.
Do try and keep up at the back - I know you’re old but my patience is wearing out with you.
pastafarian
Well-known member
But i do know what i wanted, i want to leave the EU.
I have already said there will be a withdrawal agreement and since negotiations are ongoing i dont expect the chequers proposal is in its final state either.
Look at you getting all precious because you were pulled up for asking a stupid question. When you say "seem to enjoy", what you actually mean is that they mention it because for every person dying of old age, the chance of them being a Brexit voter was 2 to 1. It's just a simple fact, it doesn't mean remainers revel in it FFS.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,772
You could have saved a lot of time and typing by saying 'I don't know'.
Now I can go off for dinner, you can get back to your Porn, Puff and getting 'nuts deep in Battlefield 1 with your boys', and we'll both be a lot happier
pastafarian
Well-known member
The withdrawal agreement......you know that thing that has been ongoing since Article 50 was handed in, that thing that is 80% completed, that thing that the European Parliament and our parliament will vote on........why do you omit it from your question
portslade seagull
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Are you still firmly in the we won't leave the EU under any circumstance camp or have you changed
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,772
Trying to debate with you is like trying to debate with a lump of slime. Always moving (that’s one similarity - as you seem to like insults). I realise that you like to change the emphasis to suit your own agenda, but there are 2 distinct issues. The first is trade and the NI border and the second is WTO rules.
You’ve gone on in the past about the NI border and WTO rules. I think if the EU are now admitting that there can be a technological solution to not have a hard border, then they must be confident that this would satisfy WTO rules. But, for some reason only known to you (I’ll give you a clue - it’s called delusion), you seem to think that you know more than the UK and the EU.
The stumbling block has been the hard border in NI. Irrespective of anything else Barnier has stated, he has clearly said that a technological solution can be considered for the NI border. So this is about preserving the GFA and at the same time, ensuring that they (the EU) don’t breach WTO rules. If they aren’t in breach, then neither are we.
Do try and keep up at the back - I know you’re old but my patience is wearing out with you.
One last time - WTF has Barnier to do with the WTO ?
(And, as a number of other people have already pointed out with regards to the EU/Chequers solution, I think you should read the article
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- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,772
I think that, unfortunately not for the first time, you are mistaken.
Do you want to quote where I said that ?
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,772
Because that IS the chequers plan that is 80% completed
This is getting beyond ridiculous
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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Because that IS the chequers plan that is 80% completed
This is getting beyond ridiculous
And as this consists of leaving the EU they must be happy to be getting what they want.
pastafarian
Well-known member
Because that IS the chequers plan that is 80% completed
This is getting beyond ridiculous
You plank,as i suspected you have got yourself all in a muddle-yet again
There are two ongoing deals.
1/ The withdrawal agreement deal(80% completed)
2/ The future relationship deal
The chequers policy is not the withdrawal agreement, it is a separate entity and addresses the future relationship.
Have a look at the official title of the chequers proposal........should give you a big clue.
Pretty pink fairy
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- Jan 30, 2008
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Because that IS the chequers plan that is 80% completed
This is getting beyond ridiculous
"no deal is better than a bad deal"
regards
DR
- Jul 10, 2003
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Good one, you caught me out, you little tinker
2 and a bit years later, and you still don't know what you want then
nicko31
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Keep it simple...
The deal (no deal, good deal, bad deal, chequers deal)
or
Remain
We've had the Brexit lies we need ratification on the outcome
Its the will of the people (the special 19% of Albion fans that voted Brexit can still vote)
Pretty pink fairy
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- Jan 30, 2008
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Where did you get 19% from ?
Pretty pink fairy
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