[Politics] Brexit

[Westdene Seagull]

What is left then!?

You want me to put my reasons for the tenth plus time ?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

As a brexiteer I wouldn't expect you to grasp anything logical. Maybe if I put it on a bus or a rasict poster you will get it?

I voted leave, my mum is a European citizen. Your stereotyping of people is wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The Irish border a problem? I wonder why? An interesting investigation into the DUP.

A BBC Spotlight investigation into the man behind the DUP's record £435,000 donation during the EU referendum has uncovered a trail of illegal activity and foreign money

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44624299?SThisFB

 

[WATFORD zero]

Get well soon/thoughts and prayers to you all .. hope you eventually manage to break the addiction and find something more productive to do with your time in the very near future x

What a strange coincidence that after years of being one of the most frequent posters on this thread, you manage to find something more productive to do with your time, just as all the various Brexit scenarios are getting exposed for the farce they are

 

[The Clamp]

What is left then!?

To be fair he has stated his reasons. Agree or not agree he’s made his case clear.

Sorry. I’m being reasonable. As you were.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

What a strange coincidence that after years of being one of the most frequent posters on this thread, you manage to find something more productive to do with your time, just as all the various Brexit scenarios are getting exposed for the farce they are

We must show him sympathy. The discovery that there could now be tens of millions of weasel loons in the land was always going to be a problem for him.

 

[Two Professors]

Good grief,I thought this thread had gone into obscurity.Still all going ever so well,apart from the Electoral Commission clowns.At least they have proved even-handed,managing to upset both sides.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Are there no depths of dishonour our present leaders can't sink to? Today we have Gove outlining his plan to swing Britain out of the Union on Chequers terms and then, when we're out, having the next prime minister installed by the Conservative Party change those terms to something more to the Ultras' liking. With a bit of luck it will be all done and dusted before any future general election. One way of getting round Gina Millar and the Supreme Court I suppose.

Let no one who supports this kind of manoeuvring ever lecture anyone else on the subject of democracy.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Are there no depths of dishonour our present leaders can't sink to? Today we have Gove outlining his plan to swing Britain out of the Union on Chequers terms and then, when we're out, having the next prime minister installed by the Conservative Party change those terms to something more to the Ultras' liking. With a bit of luck it will be all done and dusted before any future general election. One way of getting round Gina Millar and the Supreme Court I suppose.

Let no one who supports this kind of manoeuvring ever lecture anyone else on the subject of democracy.

Indeed: Gove at his reptilian best (or worst).

 

[portslade seagull]

Oh well BBC reporting Irish border deal now agreed in principle

 

[WATFORD zero]

Oh well BBC reporting Irish border deal now agreed in principle

So what's the basis of the agreement ? (I can't find the story)

 

[portslade seagull]

So what's the basis of the agreement ? (I can't find the story)

Quoted from the Times. Barnier accepting a frictionless border or whatever that entails. Mixein with the wicked witch story

 

[nicko31]

Oh well BBC reporting Irish border deal now agreed in principle

The way things are heading is looking like one giant fudge (assuming the swivel eyed loons can be brought on board)

Summary..

a) Carnage avoided

b) Very expensive with little if any benefits

c) No real winners

d) Many many unanswered questions

e) Continued uncertainty

Few will be happy with the final deal. Its blackmail from May, accept Chequers fudge or a cliff edge Brexit.

Britain of course deserves better, we should push for art 50 extension and go back to the People, whatever the deal (Cheq or ND) or remain.

Though I think this will not happen, welcome to mediocre Britain

 

[CHAPPERS]

The way things are heading is looking like one giant fudge (assuming the swivel eyed loons can we brought on board)

Summary..

a) Carnage avoided

b) Very expensive with little if any benefits

c) No real winners

d) Many many unanswered questions

e) Continued uncertainty

Few will be happy with the final deal. Its blackmail from May, accept Chequers fudge or a cliff edge Brexit.

Britain of course deserves better, we should push for art 50 extension and go back to the People, whatever the deal (Cheq or ND) or remain.

Though I think this will not happen, welcome to mediocre Britain

Doesn't matter what deal they get through, Gove stated yesterday that a future PM will just change the deal anyway. Leadership bid ahoy.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Quoted from the Times. Barnier accepting a frictionless border or whatever that entails. Mixein with the wicked witch story

I read The Times earlier. Barnier

"is working on a new “protocol” text outlining a plan to use technology to minimise checks. The proposals are to be circulated to European governments after the Conservative Party conference on October 3."

Confidential diplomatic notes seen by The Times reveal the EU’s determination to take the heat out of the Irish issue. “The biggest unsolved problem is Northern Ireland,” one note said. “There is a political mobilisation in the UK in this regard. Therefore, we are trying to clarify the EU position.”

The “revised draft of the Northern Ireland protocol”, according to a diplomatic note of talks between EU ambassadors last Wednesday, will propose that most new checks would not happen at any border. “The controls or checks only have to be organised in a way that would not endanger the EU single market,” Sabine Weyand, Mr Barnier’s deputy, told the ambassadors. “For the main part, these controls would not have to happen at a border.”

But it also says:

Mrs May has insisted that any system of checks, regardless of where they are made, amounts to a hard border. “You don’t solve the issue of no hard border by having a hard border 20km inside Ireland,” she told the BBC.

Interestingly it also adds:

In another gesture designed to secure Mrs May’s position, the EU is carefully writing its proposal to prevent Scottish Nationalists from demanding the same deal. “The solution is specifically phrased for Northern Ireland so that it is not applicable for Scotland. A UK concern,” the note said. Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish first minister, alarmed the government this summer by threatening to use the Northern Irish backstop as a model for Scotland.

Better than any of that though, there's a lovely photograph on the front page of a very wet and happy looking 'Monty The Labrador' emerging from Saltdean Lido yesterday.



It's only £1.60 down the newsagents.

 

[Chief Wiggum]

Those on the left of the political spectrum might find this of interest.

https://www.thefullbrexit.com/about

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...lagarde-theresa-may-no-deal-brexit-uk-economy

Here we go - yet another warning, this time from the IMF.

 

[schmunk]

Those on the left of the political spectrum might find this of interest.

https://www.thefullbrexit.com/about

Meh. You can wrap Brexit into all of the nicey nicey words you want, I still don't want to leave the European Union.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I found this an interesting read today on English Brexiteers, such as Rees-Mogg, and their penchant for historical references to Brexit and their version of it - https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/historical-nonsense-underpins-uk-s-brexit-floundering-1.3630936

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I found this an interesting read today on English Brexiteers, such as Rees-Mogg, and their penchant for historical references to Brexit and their version of it - https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/historical-nonsense-underpins-uk-s-brexit-floundering-1.3630936

Thanks very much for this. It reveals to me that not only is the Brexit narrative disastrous economics and tragic politics - it's also very shoddy history.