[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

looks up "exiguity"

 

[ManOfSussex]

looks up "exiguity"

Did A-Level English at Bexhill 6th Form College. (That's a British General Certificate of Education A-Level, not something you might view as part of your really nasty porn habit)

 

[portslade seagull]

I'm afraid I just can't see us having a new party form in my opinion. The experience of the gang of the 4 puts paid to that, plus if if you're fortunate enough to live in Wales or Scotland now (let alone the joys of Northern Ireland) you have a nationalist, progressive alternative on tap, which appears a damn site more sensible than what Westminster alone offers. It's left or right and take your pick.

In 1993 we had Sir John Major as Prime Minister, John Smith as leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition and Paddy Ashdown as leader of the 3rd largest party. You can slag them off but we had Clarke, Hurd, Brown, Blair on the front benches. The likes of Cash, Corbyn, Salmond were backbench principled, maverick oddballs. 25 years on we so are ****ed as a country.

How did Macron achieve it. I think a new centrist party would challenge the incumbent two

 

[pastafarian]

Did A-Level English at Bexhill 6th Form College. (That's a British General Certificate of Education A-Level, not something you might view as part of your really nasty porn habit)

Good for you.
Its nice to see someone upping their game with their insults on here. Always applaud people that take pride in their work.
Im sure there are A-levels in nasty porn though.

 

[ManOfSussex]

How did Macron achieve it. I think a new centrist party would challenge the incumbent two

That's France though. Put Brexit aside as we're not going to agree, but you do think a new centrist, or otherwise, party will appeal and work? Our politics in this country is generally tribal, The Lib Dems by their own admittance appear to be dead and to be re-branded after Cable stands down, aside from Northern Ireland which has been unique party politically anyway and is now 'Balkanised' the 3rd party in this country is The SNP, if you're in Wales and not Tory or Labour it's Plaid Cymru - I take your views on Momentum and The Labour Party on board, but they're not going away and after Corbyn they pick the next leader - a woman - presumably Thornberry because she's not as working class or has a colloquial accent like Rebecca Long-Bailey has. (and that's two reasons among others why they'll select Thornberry)

I just can't see anything else emerging as the lunatics take over the asylum of Westminster - There were 89 Tory MP's back in 1995 who backed John Redwood over John Major - They're in charge now, so forgive me for being terrified about the future.

 

[drew]

I'm afraid I just can't see us having a new party form in my opinion. The experience of the gang of the 4 puts paid to that, plus if if you're fortunate enough to live in Wales or Scotland now (let alone the joys of Northern Ireland) you have a nationalist, progressive alternative on tap, which appears a damn site more sensible than what Westminster alone offers. It's left or right and take your pick.

In 1993 we had Sir John Major as Prime Minister, John Smith as leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition and Paddy Ashdown as leader of the 3rd largest party. You can slag them off but we had Clarke, Hurd, Brown, Blair on the front benches. The likes of Cash, Corbyn, Salmond were backbench principled, maverick oddballs. 25 years on we so are ****ed as a country.

That was nearly 40 years ago! Then the moderates saw no hope of challenging Thatcher with a left wing leader, not too dissimilar to now. Together with the Liberals, they got 7.8 million votes, only 700k less than traditional Labour. Labour didn't win an election until they shifted more to the middle ground. A central party may not win an election but if could drag Labour out of the hands of the far left!

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

I'll let you into a little secret, but keep it to yourselves.
You know when Tory and Labour MPs say we had a democratic vote and the majority said leave, so leave means leave because we must respect and carry out the wishes of the people.
Well.
They don't mean it.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Good for you.
Its nice to see someone upping their game with their insults on here. Always applaud people that take pride in their work.
Im sure there are A-levels in nasty porn though.

I'm sure you've seen that Danny Boyle has pulled out of directing the next Bond film. In Irvine Welsh's novel 'The Acid House' I'm sure there was a short story was called 'Sport for all' though I could be wrong. In it, basically, a public school, posh, kilt wearing (almost certainly Brexit voting and Conservative and Unionist like yourself who own a little place up north called 'Aberdeenshire') is in a pub in Edinburgh and engages in conversation with a normal person at the bar. After ascertaining that aforementioned public school, posh, kilt wearing Scot has been at Murrayfield for a Rugby Football International that afternoon and enquiring 'Who the ***k are Fiji?' the normal Scot announces that the aforementioned public school, posh, kilt wearing Scot is now his best mate and is buying him drinks all night.

Now with Danny Boyle having past experience of collaborating with Irvine Welsh and having time on his hand and the fact I'm great at doing accents, how would you feel about you and I doing that short story in film, bearing in mind that accents aside, we'd be purely method acting?

 

[portslade seagull]

That's France though. Put Brexit aside as we're not going to agree, but you do think a new centrist, or otherwise, party will appeal and work? Our politics in this country is generally tribal, The Lib Dems by their own admittance appear to be dead and to be re-branded after Cable stands down, aside from Northern Ireland which has been unique party politically anyway and is now 'Balkanised' the 3rd party in this country is The SNP, if you're in Wales and not Tory or Labour it's Plaid Cymru - I take your views on Momentum and The Labour Party on board, but they're not going away and after Corbyn they pick the next leader - a woman - presumably Thornberry because she's not as working class or has a colloquial accent like Rebecca Long-Bailey has. (and that's two reasons among others why they'll select Thornberry)

I just can't see anything else emerging as the lunatics take over the asylum of Westminster - There were 89 Tory MP's back in 1995 who backed John Redwood over John Major - They're in charge now, so forgive me for being terrified about the future.

Just to have a United government would be a start. That seems beyond the main two parties with there internal squabbling

 

[ManOfSussex]

Just to have a United government would be a start. That seems beyond the main two parties with there internal squabbling

I agree with you on that. That said, as a country currently, we have exactly the Government and Opposition we deserve - a divided rabble on both counts. The problem we have now is nobody of substance who has the means or inclination is going to give up their work and enter the madhouse that is Westminster, whatever their political persuasion may be, and sort this mess out. I can fully understand your concerns in regards to Labour, but as I say it's right v left and with that stark choice Rees-Mogg or Johnson as PM terrifies me more than Labour's current front bench. If only John Smith hadn't died......................

 

[Two Professors]

How about Jess Phillips for the new party leader?She seems to be trying to broaden her appeal:




If she was a party leader,we might see even less of her-marvellous!

 

[portslade seagull]

I agree with you on that. That said, as a country currently, we have exactly the Government and Opposition we deserve - a divided rabble on both counts. The problem we have now is nobody of substance who has the means or inclination is going to give up their work and enter the madhouse that is Westminster, whatever their political persuasion may be, and sort this mess out. I can fully understand your concerns in regards to Labour, but as I say it's right v left and with that stark choice Rees-Mogg or Johnson as PM terrifies me more than Labour's current front bench. If only John Smith hadn't died......................

Agree with you on that

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I think it a valid point, when a major claim of the leave campaign was to take back control from unelected bureaucrats and have greater sovereignty, to have a little whataboutery regarding our system.

We may be tackling each other to shoot in the same goal here...

 

[pastafarian]

I'm sure you've seen that Danny Boyle has pulled out of directing the next Bond film. In Irvine Welsh's novel 'The Acid House' I'm sure there was a short story was called 'Sport for all' though I could be wrong. In it, basically, a public school, posh, kilt wearing (almost certainly Brexit voting and Conservative and Unionist like yourself who own a little place up north called 'Aberdeenshire') is in a pub in Edinburgh and engages in conversation with a normal person at the bar. After ascertaining that aforementioned public school, posh, kilt wearing Scot has been at Murrayfield for a Rugby Football International that afternoon and enquiring 'Who the ***k are Fiji?' the normal Scot announces that the aforementioned public school, posh, kilt wearing Scot is now his best mate and is buying him drinks all night.

Now with Danny Boyle having past experience of collaborating with Irvine Welsh and having time on his hand and the fact I'm great at doing accents, how would you feel about you and I doing that short story in film, bearing in mind that accents aside, we'd be purely method acting?

No thanks, i dont associate with your type anyway and i swore to myself i would never go back into a Hibs pub in Leith ever again.

 

[ManOfSussex]

No thanks, i dont associate with your type anyway and i swore to myself i would never go back into a Hibs pub in Leith ever again.

No - If I decide that you're buying me a pint and I kindly condescend to give you some of my time, you don't have a choice - just remember that pasta and stick to facts - keep it real.

 

[Gwylan]

How did Macron achieve it. I think a new centrist party would challenge the incumbent two

France was a special case. For one thing, France has no tradition of a centrist party so it was a new option for the French: the UK does have such a party - it's not doing very well though.

But there were other factors too. The traditional centre-right party picked a candidate mired in scandal revolving around jobs for his family. The traditional centre-left party picked someone who wasn't prime minister and who very much had the feeling of a makeweight; to make things harder, there was a left candidate who was far more charismatic and who ate into the left's vote. Finally. there was a far-right candidate, with an expenses scandal of her own, one who attracted loyal support from a hard core but could scarcely improve on it.

But it was exceptional/ If the centre-right had picked a better candidate, they'd almost certainly have won but, as it was, Macron had a clear path to power.

 

[El Presidente]

Im sure there are A-levels in nasty porn though.

For every exam there has to be an examiner

 

[GT49er]

No thanks, i dont associate with your type anyway and i swore to myself i would never go back into a Hibs pub in Leith ever again.

My last experience of that was 40 years ago - but I don't suppose it's changed much - if at all!

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Today's headline:

Theresa May says a no-deal Brexit 'wouldn't be the end of the world'


Well that's a relief.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Today's headline:

Theresa May says a no-deal Brexit 'wouldn't be the end of the world'


Well that's a relief.

She seems to have the demeanour of someone who has now given up.