[Politics] Brexit

[The Rivet]

Like the last time when he blew a safe seat?

Let's examine that 'safe seat' shall we by considering this.

The conservative election spending in South Thanet is being labelled by central government as (and I quote them) 'a calamitous administrative error' Really? So do we accept that? Accommodation expenses for many 'ground staff' bussed in by the conservatives were not part of the legal amounts candidates are allowed to use. If we don't accept that then what is the conclusion? Deliberate use of public funds to help obtain an election result for Craig Mackinlay? If so central government cannot seriously expect us to trust them as being honest with us. So if they did behave dishonestly over the seat in South Thanet then how can we believe their claims on anything including the referendum economic argument claims. Interestingly it was the successful candidate conservative Craig Mackinlay who sought to block an investigation time limit extension requested by Kent police. Surely if you won fair and square you wouldn't be worried about any investigation. Another dozen forces are also investigating in their areas too and may seek judicial extensions. So if the tories have used public money illegally that is very immoral, isn't it? Additionally the 'beak' in Kent has indicated he may void the result if it proves so. But I guess you knew all that, after all your comment seems most definite about a 'safe seat'.

 

[brighton fella]

the biggest problem you have here is thinking that Farage Gove and Johnson are far right.
there are real far right groups across Europe with some very worrying agendas.....these three are nowhere near coming close to even being mentioned as similar.

Seriously that quote that he made gave me the biggest laugh iv'e had in some time, and the fact that he was serious about it

 

[brighton fella]

I am happy to look at most information available but draw the line at that source.

In other words you are swerving it. just like the rest of the misinformed will.

 

[glasfryn]

so Major recons the Brexit campaign is squalid.
tell you whats squalid mate is having affairS with Curry and some no mark catering manager
so theres a good reason to ignore that one then
NO,NO,NO.

 

[Chief Wiggum]

The Labour leader and most of the party are for Remain. Inconvenient truth i know but still

Some on the left are not so keen though

http://www.leftleave.org/about-2/

 

[brighton fella]

<mod edit> you're kidding me.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

so how exactly does trying to discredit Remainers help ? In any case you haven't discredited them, you have simply brought up their sexuality which is none of your business. I am voting Leave but I completely disassociate myself from views like yours.

 

[Jim in the West]

The exchanges are on about 1.40 which is more of a reliable indicator.

If this gets near 2.0 then it's time to panic.

These sort of polls now are what should (hopefully) give the Remain camp a much-needed kick up the ar$e. As a Remainer I can't understand the complacency in some quarters - pretty much ignoring the youth vote, and not even bothering about trying to appeal to the female vote. Thankfully around 120k Under-25s have registered to vote in the past 4 days, which indicates that finally the message is getting home. At this stage a few polls which show Brexit ahead is probably no bad thing (for the Remain camp). But obviously not for too much longer!

 

[Jim in the West]

Some on the left are not so keen though

http://www.leftleave.org/about-2/

If you look at the MPs who have declared one way or the other, about 450 are on the Remain side, and about 150 Leave. The Labour "Remainers" are doing a shockingly bad job, though, of making their case.

 

[melias shoes]

These sort of polls now are what should (hopefully) give the Remain camp a much-needed kick up the ar$e. As a Remainer I can't understand the complacency in some quarters - pretty much ignoring the youth vote, and not even bothering about trying to appeal to the female vote. Thankfully around 120k Under-25s have registered to vote in the past 4 days, which indicates that finally the message is getting home. At this stage a few polls which show Brexit ahead is probably no bad thing (for the Remain camp). But obviously not for too much longer!

The 2 females in my family want out.

 

[Jim in the West]

The 2 females in my family want out.

That's fine, by the way....I'm just bemoaning the fact that the debate is centred around Cameron, Osborne, Gove and Johnson. Middle Aged white Oxbridge blokes. It must be a massive turn-off for the younger generation, women, BAME communities, etc, etc.

 

[One Love]

In other words you are swerving it. just like the rest of the misinformed will.

No. I just don't waste my time looking at anything from The Express.

Did you die during the multiple tsunamis and super-storms that ravaged our country last winter?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

i'd say the thing missing is any evidence that RoI is currently being used for illegal access the UK. if this was a practical option for people today, they'd be going through there and we'd probably have to give it more consideration. you have to fly into Ireland, those that can could just fly into Gatwick and Heathrow as tourists and stay. you'd probably increase checks on the ferrys rather than the Irish border. for Scotland, theres alot of assumption to work through there (they'd have a vote, they'd win, they'd be allowed to join EU within a decade), and end up with the same basic issue of getting to Scotland first. in short it shouldnt really be given much consideration, we should be focusing a bit more on looking at ramping up international trading opportunities, addressing reworking unnecessary regulations etc, rather than worry Scots and Irish coming in (which would probably be allowed anyway, as per existing Irish model).

Interesting.

If England votes Out and Scotland votes In on 23 June the likelihood of the SNP forcing an independence referendum is real enough and there is a clear possibility it will win. Would it then apply to join the EU? Again, the clear possibility is that it would, notwithstanding the existence of an anti-EU faction among SNP politicians (which is probably about as large as the one in the Labour Party).

If those three realistic assumptions fell into place the questions would then be about the nature of Scotland's application. Would it have to join the accession queue or would it be fast-tracked as a de facto 'ex-member'? I'd have thought that the EU's sympathies would be with Scotland and the latter would apply. But that only affects the timing. Either way, Scotland would certainly be in Schengen and the pressure might then fall on the Scotland/England border.

I accept that there will be some people who know that a post-Brexit Scotland would not want to be independent of England or a member of the EU.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Interesting.

If England votes Out and Scotland votes In on 23 June the likelihood of the SNP forcing an independence referendum is real enough and there is a clear possibility it will win. Would it then apply to join the EU? Again, the clear possibility is that it would, notwithstanding the existence of an anti-EU faction among SNP politicians (which is probably about as large as the one in the Labour Party).

If those three realistic assumptions fell into place the questions would then be about the nature of Scotland's application. Would it have to join the accession queue or would it be fast-tracked as a de facto 'ex-member'? I'd have thought that the EU's sympathies would be with Scotland and the latter would apply. But that only affects the timing. Either way, Scotland would certainly be in Schengen and the pressure might then fall on the Scotland/England border.

I accept that there will be some people who know that a post-Brexit Scotland would not want to be independent of England or a member of the EU.

Brexit negotiations would supposedly take 2+ years.

If Scotland sorted out whether it wanted to leave the UK within that timeframe, they would technically not have to leave the EU then reapply to re-join.

We'd have Scotland exit talks from the UK running alongside UK exit talks from the EU, and of course that would create a bit of a headache, but would mean it would be no means certain Scotland would ever actually leave the EU at any point.

 

[Buzzer]

Interesting.

If England votes Out and Scotland votes In on 23 June the likelihood of the SNP forcing an independence referendum is real enough and there is a clear possibility it will win. Would it then apply to join the EU? Again, the clear possibility is that it would, notwithstanding the existence of an anti-EU faction among SNP politicians (which is probably about as large as the one in the Labour Party).

The SNP's economic plans would be in tatters because Scottish oil prices are much lower than when they had the last referendum, the Scottish people would almost certainly vote no. And if they did vote yes then they would not be allowed to join the EU. The Belgians and Spanish already said last time that they would block Scottish ascension because to do otherwise would fuel independence calls from the Flemish and Catalans. Your 'realistic' assumptions are quite unrealistic.

 

[melias shoes]

No wonder the once anti EU Neil kinnock wants to remain in the EU. It's been a very lucrative earner for him. Pretty much why the rest of the mp's that want to remain. They have a vested interest.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oyed-astonishing-10m-ride-EU-gravy-train.html

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Time to move on.

 

[theonlymikey]

Good piece on Osbournes Mortgage price claims here.

here. - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3626663/DOMINIC-LAWSON-Spare-views-petulant-Dalek-plunged-Black-Wednesday.html

In it, he picks up that Osborne has told us house prices will fall. And he has now told us mortgages would rise.

Why do people continue to believe their rubbish?

 

[One Love]

Good piece on Osbournes Mortgage price claims here.

here. - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3626663/DOMINIC-LAWSON-Spare-views-petulant-Dalek-plunged-Black-Wednesday.html

In it, he picks up that Osborne has told us house prices will fall. And he has now told us mortgages would rise.

Why do people continue to believe their rubbish?

I completely agree, nothing but rubbish coming out of that paper.

 

[Jim in the West]

The SNP's economic plans would be in tatters because Scottish oil prices are much lower than when they had the last referendum, the Scottish people would almost certainly vote no. And if they did vote yes then they would not be allowed to join the EU. The Belgians and Spanish already said last time that they would block Scottish ascension because to do otherwise would fuel independence calls from the Flemish and Catalans. Your 'realistic' assumptions are quite unrealistic.

It's a bit different now, though - a post-Brexit UK would not be a happy place. And the EU would want to give the rest of the UK (i.e., effectively England) a lesson. The Scots are by far the most Europhile part of the UK, and virtually all their MPs support the Remain campaign. Of course none of us can say for certain what would happen, but another Scottish Independence Referendum is almost guaranteed - and there would be far fewer voices with any credibility arguing No.