[Politics] Brexit

[hans kraay fan club]

To some extent I feel sorry for any government where the opposition have not ever taken any sensible stance on this HUGE issue thus preventing any beneficial discussion ( for what is a hugely important issue and one for which the majority of the UK population voted in favour) rightly or wrongly.

You WHAT?

Are you taking the piss? The opposition are to blame for the utter chaos that is our current minority government?!

Indeed.

Exactly. This mess is entirely down to the Tories and the whole fiasco has done nothing but serve to show us what a bunch of self-serving yet utterly incompetent pricks the government front bench is made up of. Almost to a man/woman, themselves before party before country. I hope they get absolutely slaughtered at the polls for this - the LibDems did and for far, FAR less.

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[Berty23]

If I don't get what I voted for, I shall be voting for ukip all over again, there will be millions of others too.

This is the surefire way to get a Corbyn government. I have suggested that this is the likely outcome since the vote.

1. Tories realise the unicorns Brexit isn't possible so make concessions.
2. Those sold a dream get angry because they have been betrayed
3. Rise of ukip.
4. Jezza as PM

So the right wing tories will have caused the most left wing government for generations.

Jezza would be a disaster which would empower the right even more and that is when really bad things are likely to happen.

Very simplistic, obviously, but looking like playing out so far.

 

[RandyWanger]

 

[Westdene Seagull]

No, he's only been one of, if not 'the', voice of Euro scepticism for 25 years, was leader of the party that obtained most votes in the UK in the 2014 European Parliamentary Elections, the man it could be argued the referendum would never have taken place without, is a self publicising narcissist who headed up the unofficial and dubiously funded Leave.EU campaign, playing upon some ignorant peoples nostalgic sentiments by fancifully mentioning things about fishing and the sea, focusing on concerns about immigration by constantly mentioning an 'Australian style points system' along with the official leave campaign that never materialised and cynically played upon some peoples subliminal fears in regards to Islam and Muslims by constantly mentioning Turkey joining The EU and standing in front of that poster below. Some people might call him a hypocrite, a chancer - He still talks about 'Tory Posh boys' when he went to Dulwich College and is a former member of the Tory party himself. He leads a group in the European Parliament but hardly ever turns up. He represents South East England in The European Parliament, but never did something like Catherine Bearder did and regularly met DEFRA in Whitehall to lobby for The UK quota to be administered in favour of the under 10 metre boats in her constituency, rather than be given over to large scale commercial fleets. Those are but a few examples of his hypocritical chancing. I'd just call him a c**t.

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I think you missed the key word in my post ..... here's a clue .... 'now'.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

This is the surefire way to get a Corbyn government. I have suggested that this is the likely outcome since the vote.

1. Tories realise the unicorns Brexit isn't possible so make concessions.
2. Those sold a dream get angry because they have been betrayed
3. Rise of ukip.
4. Jezza as PM

So the right wing tories will have caused the most left wing government for generations.

Jezza would be a disaster which would empower the right even more and that is when really bad things are likely to happen.

Very simplistic, obviously, but looking like playing out so far.

...... and at the next election after Jezza has flopped we get a very right wing government who will enact Brexit the hardest way possible. Imagine a Thatcher government on speed !

 

[LlcoolJ]

To some extent I feel sorry for any government where the opposition have not ever taken any sensible stance on this HUGE issue thus preventing any beneficial discussion ( for what is a hugely important issue and one for which the majority of the UK population voted in favour) rightly or wrongly.

How about beneficial discussion between the people in charge instead of meaningless drivel, jostling for power and backstabbing? What the hell has the Tory infighting over Europe (as has always been) got to do with the opposition being crap?

 

[ManOfSussex]

I think you missed the key word in my post ..... here's a clue .... 'now'.

I didn't miss the key word 'now' at all. Have a look around at the Brexit mess we're in 'now' and will be in the future. Farage, who never had any power in Westminster in the past anyway, still managed to play a significant part in creating this shambolic mess as a result of whipping up a populist protest against the establishment - 'now.' Power without responsibility - right 'now' in this chaos.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

The thing which really troubles me is that wankers like Hunt, Johnson, Gove and Davis will all comfortably retain their seats in the next election - whenever that is. Whoever is going to oppose those people in the election should be in full campaign mode from now onwards. They should be appealing directly to their constituents to put pressure on the incumbents and to try and beat them in the next elections but we all know it won't happen.

If there is anything positive to come out of the shambles of the last couple of days, maybe the people who don't support the PM are now out of the way. If Davis and Johnson didn't want to support her and instead wanted to be twats, then good riddance. The problem is that it's difficult to believe anyone in the cabinet still supports her and/or believes in her vision for Brexit or anything else. She has been badly treated by her party since assuming the leadership at a time when nobody was interested in it and whilst I do think that her motivation for remaining might be the financial compensation or something closely linked to it - if she steps down, the chaos will only deepen.

Crazy times in British politics.

 

[Justice]

May is trying to fool the country with the repeated use of keywords every time she speaks about Brexit.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Personally I'd take a 5% drop off in the economy for control over our country. However I don't think the economy would drop off by that much. There are so many opportunities outside the EU that we could tap in to. I'd just walk away and accept no deal and get on with trading with the rest of the world. The EU would eventually come back to the table with an attractive offer.

A post so stupid even I wouldn't know where to start

 

[Blackadder]

Personally I'd take a 5% drop off in the economy for control over our country. However I don't think the economy would drop off by that much. There are so many opportunities outside the EU that we could tap in to. I'd just walk away and accept no deal and get on with trading with the rest of the world. The EU would eventually come back to the table with an attractive offer.

Interesting point.

Many people voted for the Cameron/Osborne Govt and their proposed cuts back. Admittedly, they had to do something as there was no money left. Voters voted for cuts but most people like cuts that don't affect THEM. Pensioners are usually covered as they have the power of the vote (and the triple lock Pension).

A lot of people of people say they just want to exit because, if they are honest, it won't really affect them, especially retired people who don't need to worry about a job.

You mention a 5% drop, and we don't know the real figure. If you are prepared to take a 5% drop, would you be be prepared for 5 people you know (out of 100 friends/family) to lose their jobs to take control of our country?

Would you be prepared to lose you own job to take control of the country. (sorry, I don't know you, I am assuming you are of working age).

Just curious, as you are the first person who has admitted how much of hit you are prepared to take.

Cheers

 

[WATFORD zero]

if i don't get what i voted for, i shall be voting for ukip all over again, there will be millions of others too.

YOU'VE GOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU VOTED FOR YOU MORON

You voted to leave and we're leaving. The referendum and the result really is as simple as that.

 

[CHAPPERS]

May is trying to fool the country with the repeated use of keywords every time she speaks about Brexit.

Theresa May - “There has been much jocularity around the term “Brexit means Brexit,” but it does mean Brexit. ''

****ing idiot.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Who said Brexit will make us all poorer??

Farage’s big bucks – The former Ukip leader Nigel Farage earned £524,000 and £700,000 through TV and radio work respectively in the past four years, according to transparency campaigners who are calling on MEPs to be more open about second jobs. The figures make him the highest earner outside the European parliament of any of Britain’s 73 MEPs, according to Transparency International. Last year Farage claimed to be “skint”.

RT ( The kremlin ) seems to pay him well doesn't it ?

 

[BadFish]

another post full of irony. i reckon you didnt get it, your earlier description could apply to Brussels who are led and lobbied by business and special interest groups far more than the interests of the European electorate. sneering disregard for electorates is an accusation usually aimed at the European leadership, ignoring public concerns across Europe over and over again.

Apologies, I read it quickly as idiotic instead of ironic and got my back up. should have read more carefully.

Personally I think that the UK politicians are more to blame for the UKs problems than the EU ones. Getting out of the EU may offer a platform to improve and reform the UK government but I doubt it.

Time will tell I suppose but I think it is telling that those banging the brexit drum seem to have disappeared from view.



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[Hotchilidog]

Apologies, I read it quickly as idiotic instead of ironic and got my back up. should have read more carefully.

Personally I think that the UK politicians are more to blame for the UKs problems than the EU ones. Getting out of the EU may offer a platform to improve and reform the UK government but I doubt it.

Time will tell I suppose but I think it is telling that those banging the brexit drum seem to have disappeared from view.



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Spot on. The EU has been a convenient scapegoat providing a cover for an awful government that seem to be hell bent on making life worse for as many people as possible in this country.

 

[melias shoes]

YOU'VE GOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU VOTED FOR YOU MORON

You voted to leave and we're leaving. The referendum and the result really is as simple as that.

You need to calm down. Have a cup of tea.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Great another deluded Brexchimpleton

A post so stupid even I wouldn't know where to start

YOU'VE GOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU VOTED FOR YOU MORON

****ing idiot.

There's some very angry remainers posting today it seems.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I'm at an airport at the moment and I've never liked hanging around waiting for flights.

I'll take your advice and have a cup of tea

If you could get people who have got what they voted for to stop whining, that would be a help too

 

[hans kraay fan club]

There's some very angry remainers posting today it seems.

You choose to see anger in those responses. I see none.

I see just exasperation.