[Politics] Brexit

[Green Cross Code Man]

I didn't call anyone racist, I was just asking a question that has been asked before. Those videos weren't made to aid rational argument. They are clearly made to cause fear and stir hatred.

You said 'the main factor that fuels the quitters is hatred of other people'.

That implies that racism is the driving force for those of us who for a multitude of reasons want to leave. I have wanted to leave the EU since I was a teenager, I am 49 now and I deeply resent being told I hate other nationalities. I have many different nationalities in my wider family and have many friends from other cultures. I have lived my life in an exemplary manner with regard to race.

I am sure this is true for the majority of people in the out campaign as well. There will be racists of course, but there are racists who support staying also.

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[One Love]

but there are racists who support staying also.

Have you got some examples?

 

[Buzzer]

Have you got some examples?

Sinn Fein and the SNP.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Have you got some examples?

I think disreputable factions including racists will always be attracted to the anti immigration idea that is part of the leave EU campaign. Simply wishing for less immigration does not make one a racist however. I would like a reduction in immigration but accept much needs to be done both in accepting immigrants whose countries have been at war ie Syria, and moreover trying to aid them nearer to the point of crisis whilst ensuring such a dire situation doesn't happen again.

In any population, there will be both right wing and left wing racists. I do not know of any examples but to illustrate, there have been many problems for the labour party with anti Semitic members for example Vicky Kirby and Gerry Downing.

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[Jim in the West]

You're voting for Johnson and Gove to be the heads of this country. If you seriously want that you're probably psychotic.

Fortunately it's not nailed on that either Boris or Gove would be the next leader of the Tory party (and hence next Prime Minister). Theresa May is third in the odds at the mo. She's a Remainer - albeit (like many Remainers) she recognises that the EU has its faults. She could easily be the unifying force that the Tory party would need in the case of a Brexit vote. The Brexit camp sometimes forget that, even if we Vote Leave, we could still be lead by a Pro-EU prime minister, with the majority of the House of Commons in favour of staying. If this is the case it is HIGHLY LIKELY that we would renegotiate an arrangement akin to Norway's - in other words, there would still be free movement of trade and people. Perhaps if we had this option in the Referendum it would be a clear winner. Unfortunately we only have two options.

 

[pastafarian]

It's very unlikely that Turkey will join. It only meets 1 of 35 criteria needed.

Do you notice how none of The EU leaders say Turkey will NEVER join the EU?
Its always various degrees of timeline because they have so many hurdles to cross and so far ahead we shouldnt concern ourselves with it now.

People need to think very long term about the legacy of their vote and the impact of staying in for future generations.
Eventually Turkey WILL join the EU.

 

[One Love]

Sinn Fein and the SNP.

In general they are not rascist though. They may have some individuals that are.

 

[Two Professors]

Impressive point missing.

So you are saying you can see all the new illegals in Birmingham from Spain.Impressive long vision

 

[Jim in the West]

I think disreputable factions including racists will always be attracted to the anti immigration idea that is part of the leave EU campaign. Simply wishing for less immigration does not make one a racist however. I would like a reduction in immigration but accept much needs to be done both in accepting immigrants whose countries have been at war ie Syria, and moreover trying to aid them nearer to the point of crisis whilst ensuring such a dire situation doesn't happen again.

In any population, there will be both right wing and left wing racists. I do not know of any examples but to illustrate, there have been many problems for the labour party with anti Semitic members for example Vicky Kirby and Gerry Downing.

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Good points. Unfortunately, though, the relentless focus on immigration by the Vote Leave campaign means they are giving the clear impression that they are the 'Nasty' guys. Not helped by the leader of the Leave campaign himself likening the EU to Hitler's nazi movement.....

 

[Two Professors]

In general they are not rascist though. They may have some individuals that are.

Have you any idea how much the supporters and members of both both parties hate the English,you sadly delusional person.Lived in Brighton all your life,but have watched the Discovery channel,and are worldly-wise?

 

[pastafarian]

You're voting for Johnson and Gove to be the heads of this country. If you seriously want that you're probably psychotic.

Fortunately it's not nailed on that either Boris or Gove would be the next leader of the Tory party (and hence next Prime Minister). Theresa May is third in the odds at the mo. She's a Remainer - albeit (like many Remainers) she recognises that the EU has its faults. She could easily be the unifying force that the Tory party would need in the case of a Brexit vote. The Brexit camp sometimes forget that, even if we Vote Leave, we could still be lead by a Pro-EU prime minister, with the majority of the House of Commons in favour of staying. If this is the case it is HIGHLY LIKELY that we would renegotiate an arrangement akin to Norway's - in other words, there would still be free movement of trade and people. Perhaps if we had this option in the Referendum it would be a clear winner. Unfortunately we only have two options.

I am voting to leave nothing more,nothing less.
I am not voting for or against individuals or considering the next leader of the tories or labour
If you are weighing these options into your decision you have completely and utterly missed the whole point of the referendum.
I cant tell which morons gave your post the thumbs up but they should feel stupid also thinking this referendum is somehow of any relevant importance concerning internal party politics.

There are only two options for a good reason.Leave party politics out of it and stick to the issues.Its a deflective losers argument.

 

[Albumen]

I am voting to leave nothing more,nothing less.
I am not voting for or against individuals or considering the next leader of the tories or labour
If you are weighing these options into your decision you have completely and utterly missed the whole point of the referendum.
I cant tell which morons gave your post the thumbs up but they should feel stupid also thinking this referendum is somehow of any relevant importance concerning internal party politics.

There are only two options for a good reason.Leave party politics out of it and stick to the issues.Its a deflective losers argument.

You're being short sighted then.

 

[Two Professors]

Perhaps the Remainers are right,and we are being 'Nasty Bigoted Racist Little Englanders' and must stop calling them names!

Going back to the utterly corrupt EU,as a change of subject,I see their own anti-fraud agency,OLAF,has identified £670 million pounds worth of fraud from 2015 that they are unable to recover.That is certainly a good few weeks of contribution from our tax money gone down the Euro toilet.Perhaps the economic 'experts' on here could explain how this is of benefit to the UK,but I expect any answer to be more Cameronwaffle!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Good points. Unfortunately, though, the relentless focus on immigration by the Vote Leave campaign means they are giving the clear impression that they are the 'Nasty' guys. Not helped by the leader of the Leave campaign himself likening the EU to Hitler's nazi movement.....

The campaign for leaving has in my opinion been very disappointing. As has the campaign for remaining. Both negative. We ought to be hearing more positive reasons to leave or stay.

As for the Hitler comment. Silly comment to make, I assume he was referring to the aim of unification rather than the method.

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[brighton fella]

It's interesting when videos like the above get put up. It lays bare for all to see the true nature of the Quitters campaign. All that went before, all the supposed arguments that it is those who wanted to leave who were making the positive case are revealed to be nonsense. The main factor that fuels the Quitters is a hatred of other people. Sad, really, to lack empathy for others. But it's all ok as it's not racist to just bang on continually about immigration, is it?

People like you disgust me for the reason that It is this type of stereotyping that gets peoples backs up, what a total load of b*llocks .. where is the proof to back up your theory ? . . the only lack of empathy that i have is with people such as yourself.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I am voting to leave nothing more,nothing less.
I am not voting for or against individuals or considering the next leader of the tories or labour
If you are weighing these options into your decision you have completely and utterly missed the whole point of the referendum.
I cant tell which morons gave your post the thumbs up but they should feel stupid also thinking this referendum is somehow of any relevant importance concerning internal party politics.

There are only two options for a good reason.Leave party politics out of it and stick to the issues.Its a deflective losers argument.

This.

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[Green Cross Code Man]

You're being short sighted then.

Really? Governments come and go a LOT sooner than referenda?

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[pastafarian]

You're being short sighted then.

no
just focusing on what is actually important and relevant to the referendum issue.
next leader of the tories is not a relevant vote swinger for people sticking to relevant issues.

 

[Albumen]

Really? Governments come and go a LOT sooner than referenda?

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The mess they'll leave the country in will be felt for many decades.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

The mess they'll leave the country in will be felt for many decades.

Well if for example, there was a government headed by Johnson and Gove, then we would all be able to vote them out in the next election. If we, the British people, did not replace them, one would assume that for the majority of people, they were not in fact 'making such a mess' of the country after all.

N.b. I do not wish for them to lead a British government. I am speaking purely hypothetically and without prejudice.

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