[Politics] Brexit

[Thunder Bolt]

What surprises me is that people are surprised at this mess. I have said a few times that I was leaning towards remain but willing to be convinced before the referendum. It was clear that it would never be an amicable split but wanted to see what the perceived benefits would be to weigh against the losses. All I got was lies and rhetoric from both sides and so stuck with my instinct that the benefits of remaining outweighed leaving. Did people really think that we could do the equivalent of a cheating husband who demands a divorce and wants to keep the pets, kids, car and house and still get sex from his ex whenever he wants? As well as alimony?

A second referendum is highly unlikely and not sure what a GE would do to make matters better. But I do subscribe to the view that the 52-48 has long since gone after this debacle. Anyone convincing themselves that some leavers haven't change their mind are deluded. I live with one for starters. Like many, she had concerns about immigration but not "at all costs" like a few on here. We are now stuck with a government pulling itself apart, an opposition trying to make itself sound popular without actually saying or committing to anything. And I'm not sure where the Lib Dems are other than having a party conference at the local pub's back room. And all of them trying to put their own spin on what the 52% of people who answered a very basic question actually meant.

Well said.



Richard Osman has it right, too

https://twitter.com/richardosman/status/1016204459695894528

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[Baldseagull]

Unless they make a new bill and approve and pass it through parliament, it will

Yes, or repeal.

 

[Dorset Seagull]

You’re talking to yourself.

Unfortunately that’s what this thread has turned into

 

[Gwylan]

Did people really think that we could do the equivalent of a cheating husband who demands a divorce and wants to keep the pets, kids, car and house and still get sex from his ex whenever he wants? As well as alimony?

This sums it up neatly. I voted to leave but I had what I thought were realistic expectations: the 'have our cake and eat it' policy was obviously completely bonkers but it's what's driven our whole approach to the negotiations. If we'd said,"we want to leave the SM/CU but will keep free movement" we may have got somewhere (I'm just using those examples as shorthand, I'm fully aware that it's more complex than that) but we made no attempt to negotiate.

And the Irish issue was clearly a major problem and there seems to have been no attempt to really tackle it. The obvious solution to me was to keep NI in the customs union and have the border in the Irish Sea but May thought sucking up the DUP was more important than trying to solve a thorny Brexit issue.

 

[TomandJerry]

Yes, or repeal.

Whatever it is, it would have to be made into law, and then all other 27 EU country's would have to accept it

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This sums it up neatly. I voted to leave but I had what I thought were realistic expectations: the 'have our cake and eat it' policy was obviously completely bonkers but it's what's driven our whole approach to the negotiations. If we'd said,"we want to leave the SM/CU but will keep free movement" we may have got somewhere (I'm just using those examples as shorthand, I'm fully aware that it's more complex than that) but we made no attempt to negotiate.

And the Irish issue was clearly a major problem and there seems to have been no attempt to really tackle it. The obvious solution to me was to keep NI in the customs union and have the border in the Irish Sea but May thought sucking up the DUP was more important than trying to solve a thorny Brexit issue.

She was forced to suck up to the DUP, as her gambled snap election failed miserably.

 

[Don Quixote]

It’s incredible how May keeps on surviving these things. We should have had a new PM a year ago.

 

[Triggaaar]

I have said a few times that I was leaning towards remain but willing to be convinced before the referendum.
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Did people really think that we could do the equivalent of a cheating husband who demands a divorce and wants to keep the pets, kids, car and house and still get sex from his ex whenever he wants? As well as alimony?

It doesn't sound like you were really willing to be convinced to vote leave at all.

Anyone convincing themselves that some leavers haven't change their mind are deluded. I live with one for starters.

She's probably told you she's changed her mind just to keep you quiet.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1016097427798069248

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[Gwylan]

She was forced to suck up to the DUP, as her gambled snap election failed miserably.

She wasn't forced to at all. She could have implemented that NI strategy last spring, she had the majority and no need for DUP involvement at all.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

“Vince Cable also heading to Brexit briefing today. All opposition peers and MPs invited” - it’s kicking off big time.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Dominic Raab is the replacement.

 

[Baldseagull]

Whatever it is, it would have to be made into law, and then all other 27 EU country's would have to accept it

Maybe, I think we could just rescind A50, but it is a bit of a grey area, but if we fall out without a deal it is bad for everyone, so who do you think is going to say no to stopping that?

 

[portslade seagull]

Brilliant, that would solve it. Swap one bunch of clueless dickheads for another bunch of clueless dickheads.

Even worse clueless dickheads who have no sense of money. If peeps think it is bad now wait until they eventually come in. More jobs than ever will leave as higher business taxes are set

 

[The Clamp]

May/Hammond - Remainers. Say no more eh.

I know you don’t like facts - just wild supposition.

Ok.

 

[Simster]

She was forced to suck up to the DUP, as her gambled snap election failed miserably.

Indeed, and if they'd actually bothered to campaign they might well have got the thumping majority she wanted/needed. Instead, the Tories were feeble and arrogant pre-election whereas Labour actually put some policies together and argued on those points. I got fed up with wet Tories coming on TV and saying "yes but if you don't vote for us you'll get that nasty Jeremy Corbyn running the country". It was pathetic.

Even worse clueless dickheads who have no sense of money. If peeps think it is bad now wait until they eventually come in. More jobs than ever will leave as higher business taxes are set

The difference is that some of us could swallow 5 years of unworkable socialism if it meant Brexit negotiations were handled properly. Instead we've got some of stupidest politicians we've ever seen doing it.

 

[Frankie]

The Châteauneuf-Du-Pape makers may as well pack up bottling the stuff now he's gone .

 

[TSB]

The country can unite once Brexit is properly done. After all it's what a TINY MAJORITY of a largely uninformed public voted for.

Just helping you out, Spence.

 

[Ernest]

Dominic Raab is the replacement.

Makes the head banging loons look normal , nothing has changed

 

[vegster]

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1016097427798069248

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I think that another Moggy might do a fine job.... He'd probably demand the return of Calais and the Low Countries to the Crown as an opener.