[Politics] Brexit

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Bloody good job too. Remove some of the overcrowding, stress on the NHS and housing.

Any chance we could persuade you to join the exodus?

I think someone with your charm and sophisticated use of language could persuade anyone to do anything.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Bloody good job too. Remove some of the overcrowding, stress on the NHS and housing.

Any chance we could persuade you to join the exodus?

I think someone with your charm and sophisticated use of language could just persuade anyone to do anything.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I phoned up the embassy and explained I needed replacement passports. Was offered a same day appointment but selected one for the next day. Went to the embassy, filled out the paperwork, used the photobooth inside the embassy and paid the fees. This was all completed in a couple of hours and I was told I could have the passports in about three more hours but they needed written agreement from the kids other parents. This took until the next morning to get but we had our passports just before midday the following day.

Ah. You’ve got confused old bean. You’re referring to an “emergency passport” or emergency travel documentation to give it the correct name, not a full renewal. I also took a look at the Passport Office website, entering your scenario of stolen passport in France and it’s either an emergency option or a 6 week application for a proper full passport via the U.K.

That’s a real shame as I thought I was onto something.

 

[Baldseagull]

I am half expecting the Police to be called to Chequers to break up a fight this weekend.
Theresa May has no control, she can't sack anyone, she can't get them to agree with each other and another week of negotiation time with the EU will be spent negotiating with her ministers. The only thing keeping her in her job is that no one else wants it whilst Brexit is going on.
David Davis has spent 3 hours this year in total, with Michel Barnier, 30 minutes a month, and I would not mind betting that on every occasion they essentially had the same conversation.
We can't even say Brexit isn't going to plan, because there isn't a ****ing plan, never was a ****ing plan, and I will be bloody surprised if one emerges this weekend.

 

[Ernest]

I am half expecting the Police to be called to Chequers to break up a fight this weekend.
Theresa May has no control, she can't sack anyone, she can't get them to agree with each other and another week of negotiation time with the EU will be spent negotiating with her ministers. The only thing keeping her in her job is that no one else wants it whilst Brexit is going on.
David Davis has spent 3 hours this year in total, with Michel Barnier, 30 minutes a month, and I would not mind betting that on every occasion they essentially had the same conversation.
We can't even say Brexit isn't going to plan, because there isn't a ****ing plan, never was a ****ing plan, and I will be bloody surprised if one emerges this weekend.

Hope everyone likes FUDGE and a game of KICK the can down the road

 

[Two Professors]

Surge in UK citizens obtaining EU countries' passports. Will the least one to leave please turn the lights off?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44629193

What a shame there were so few.12,000 odd,out of the majority of UK voters (c. Remain).That's only about a week's normal emigration anyway.Poor old remainers,the only ones with any guts have left,hope they took all their families too.

 

[pastafarian]

Whenever I've had the misfortune of going to a Job Centre Plus in my life, I've never really seen anyone I can recall who was:
A. Foreign
B. Speaking with a public school accent and wearing red trousers, so again I'm going to assume you haven't and therefore you don't really don't know what you're talking about. Alternatively, if you have ever claimed JSA what was your last Claimant Commitment like set up with your adviser? Did you think it fair enough?



Hypothetically it wouldn't bother me either, as I don't have a beef with people from these countries. (When's the much heralded Australian style points system for immigration being introduced incidentally? Vote Leave were shouting that from the rooftops 2 years ago. Anytime soon?) But if you want to pretend that other leave voters, such as in Lincolnshire, would be happy with large numbers of individuals from developing countries like Somalia and Afghanistan in their community, when they're already unhappy with Eastern Europeans, fine. I'd love to know how 'all the checks, including on criminal background' would work in somewhere like Afghanistan though. There's a reason the youth mobility visa is limited to Australia, Canada, Japan, Monaco, New Zealand, Hong Kong, South Korea and Taiwan now - I'm sure you can work it out. It might happen, but I somewhat doubt it as 'negotiations' with The EU may well dictate something different, plus we're not leaving the continent of Europe, but if a post-Brexit utopia of opening up immigration to the whole world equally was implemented, have a think about the cost, administration, staff etc required both centrally here in The UK and at all our Embassies, High Commissions etc across the world to do it all. Bearing in mind too that most of the world is developing and in developing countries corruption and fraud is somewhat rife and a fact of daily life. For example before working holiday visas were removed from developing countries, I can recall the list of banks The British High Commission in Gaborone would not accept from Batswana nationals wishing to apply for one due to bank statements from them being easy to forge and certify and therefore pretend you've got the means. It was quite extensive.

So if you consider the cost and resources required in administering a global immigration system with the necessity of a deal with The EU, the fact we're still going to be a European country after Brexit, that EU member countries are developed whereas the majority of the rest of the world isn't, that the 'global' Tier 5 visa is already biased to developed countries against developing ones....................I think there's probably some substance in the rumour that basically freedom of movement for workers after Brexit will be offered to The EU.

Since we are talking about farm labourers specifically, when the last scheme was still running the work of checking the validity of a jobseeker was licensed out to government approved agencies who acted as sponsors and were required to check the criminal backgrounds and source the workers before putting in the paperwork claim for their visa. There is a current working model which is approved by the Home Office on criminal checks for people from Afghanistan. Its carried out by the Afghan embassy in London who issue a certificate as there is no visa application centre in Afghanistan. The cost to the applicant is £40.
All non EU People under Tier 1 visas and recently rolled out to parts of tier 2 visas are now required to produce their own criminal records certificate, at their own expense sourced from approved institutions only.
The majority of temporary farm labourers live in accommodation provided by the farm, usually on the farm premises, those who seek work all year may move out to the wider community, especially if they bring their families too, but we are talking about 6 month temp workers, who come alone and are not entitled to bring family on that visa. So you will have to ask the people of lincs why they would have an issue on these type of workers, wherever they are from.
You are very much a cant do person aren’t you, constantly looking for obstacles rather than solutions, probably why you chose one of the most extreme and difficult possibilities(Afghan). Quite reflective as to your chip on the shoulder class warrior persona.

 

[Baldseagull]

What a shame there were so few.12,000 odd,out of the majority of UK voters (c. Remain).That's only about a week's normal emigration anyway.Poor old remainers,the only ones with any guts have left,hope they took all their families too.

It would be a lot more if more were eligible.

 

[Two Professors]

It would be a lot more if more were eligible.

Didn't realise so many remainers were criminals/insane.Surely the rest of you could apply for asylum from the 'hell of Brexit'?Perhaps you could seek help from the rescue ships in the Med,take you on a nice cruise holiday to Malta/Italy.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Since we are talking about farm labourers specifically, when the last scheme was still running the work of checking the validity of a jobseeker was licensed out to government approved agencies who acted as sponsors and were required to check the criminal backgrounds and source the workers before putting in the paperwork claim for their visa. There is a current working model which is approved by the Home Office on criminal checks for people from Afghanistan. Its carried out by the Afghan embassy in London who issue a certificate as there is no visa application centre in Afghanistan. The cost to the applicant is £40.
All non EU People under Tier 1 visas and recently rolled out to parts of tier 2 visas are now required to produce their own criminal records certificate, at their own expense sourced from approved institutions only.
The majority of temporary farm labourers live in accommodation provided by the farm, usually on the farm premises, those who seek work all year may move out to the wider community, especially if they bring their families too, but we are talking about 6 month temp workers, who come alone and are not entitled to bring family on that visa. So you will have to ask the people of lincs why they would have an issue on these type of workers, wherever they are from.
You are very much a cant do person aren’t you, constantly looking for obstacles rather than solutions, probably why you chose one of the most extreme and difficult possibilities(Afghan). Quite reflective as to your chip on the shoulder class warrior persona.

Of course there's no corruption in Afghanistan and things like The Taliban infiltrating their armed forces and police doesn't happen, because their checks are all really stringent and work really well and obviously if Afghans were in Lincolnshire they wouldn't go out in the wider community or need things from shops or NHS treatment etc. It's just like the constant references to Turkey joining The EU 2 years ago in the referendum campaign or Farage's poster of brown people wasn't playing on some peoples subliminal concerns in regards to Islam because everyone really likes Muslims.

We're not talking specifically about farm labourers, hence I mentioned the youth mobility visa and the limited number of non-EU developed countries who's nationals can apply for one. Once the 2 years are up on one of those, who is more likely in the words of Mike Bassett England manager to '**** off home on the next plane':

A. A New Zealander
B. A Nigerian.

As for being a can't do person in regards to administering a global post Brexit immigration system, I'm not the one cutting the FCO and Home Office budget by hundreds of millions and creating a can't do situation.

 

[pastafarian]

Of course there's no corruption in Afghanistan and things like The Taliban infiltrating their armed forces and police doesn't happen, because their checks are all really stringent and work really well and obviously if Afghans were in Lincolnshire they wouldn't go out in the wider community or need things from shops or NHS treatment etc. It's just like the constant references to Turkey joining The EU 2 years ago in the referendum campaign or Farage's poster of brown people wasn't playing on some peoples subliminal concerns in regards to Islam because everyone really likes Muslims.

We're not talking specifically about farm labourers, hence I mentioned the youth mobility visa and the limited number of non-EU developed countries who's nationals can apply for one. Once the 2 years are up on one of those, who is more likely in the words of Mike Bassett England manager to '**** off home on the next plane':

A. A New Zealander
B. A Nigerian.

As for being a can't do person in regards to administering a global post Brexit immigration system, I'm not the one cutting the FCO and Home Office budget by hundreds of millions and creating a can't do situation.

The youth mobility visa is reciprocal you wally. Id love to know what opportunities there are out there for our youth given much of that country is deemed off limits by our foreign office.
And yes we were talking specifically about farm labourers, especially those of the temp 6 month visa kind until you ridiculously brought in the youth mobility scheme for no apparent reason

 

[Baldseagull]

The youth mobility visa is reciprocal you wally. Id love to know what opportunities there are out there for our youth given much of that country is deemed off limits by our foreign office.
And yes we were talking specifically about farm labourers, especially those of the temp 6 month visa kind until you ridiculously brought in the youth mobility scheme for no apparent reason

I love the idea that Lincolnshire voted leave so that they could get migrant workers from further afield on visas.

 

[pastafarian]

I love the idea that Lincolnshire voted leave so that they could get migrant workers from further afield on visas.

Is that what the people of Lincs have said was the reason they voted leave then?
First time ive heard that

 

[Baldseagull]

Is that what the people of Lincs have said was the reason they voted leave then?
First time ive heard that

I doubt it, but hey, you all knew what you voted for so maybe they did?

 

[ManOfSussex]

The youth mobility visa is reciprocal you wally. Id love to know what opportunities there are out there for our youth given much of that country is deemed off limits by our foreign office.
And yes we were talking specifically about farm labourers, especially those of the temp 6 month visa kind until you ridiculously brought in the youth mobility scheme for no apparent reason

I didn't say the youth mobility visa wasn't reciprocal. It's a reciprocal visa arrangement between developed countries though. You know - developed countries like all EU member states are that we might reach agreement with and have free movement of workers as is rumoured as a proposal in our best possible deal/deep and special partnership/Brexit means Brexit etc future utopia arrangement with them.

As for farm labourers and Afghans - Michael Gove specifically mentioned Ukraine a short while back as being where it's at if and when SAW visas are reintroduced. I can only speak from personal experience, but having lived 2 streets away from where a Ukranian national who entered the UK on a false Estonian passport was running a marriage scam outfit of pairing eastern Europeans with Africans with expired UK visas, helped by a Nigerian lawyer in London and a corrupt Church of England vicar and drinking at bar where the Ukranian barmaid, who left after falling for a northern builder doing a shop refit job and leaving the delights of Hastings & St. Leonards for some dump up north instead, was acknowledged by word of mouth as apparently previously being the best £100 a hour Hooker in The Medway towns, despite having a boyfriend/pimp who had a crack habit. I never had the pleasure in either a personal or professional capacity with her myself, but for a girl from a small town in Ukraine having that honour perhaps must be quite something for her.

I'm sure my experience of Ukrainians isn't representative of Ukrainians as a whole though, so if the people of Lincolnshire have to make do with them rather than EU nationals in the future working the farms and utilising the local amenities alongside them, I'm sure it's exactly what they voted for.

 

[Two Professors]

I didn't say the youth mobility visa wasn't reciprocal. It's a reciprocal visa arrangement between developed countries though. You know - developed countries like all EU member states are that we might reach agreement with and have free movement of workers as is rumoured as a proposal in our best possible deal/deep and special partnership/Brexit means Brexit etc future utopia arrangement with them.

As for farm labourers and Afghans - Michael Gove specifically mentioned Ukraine a short while back as being where it's at if and when SAW visas are reintroduced. I can only speak from personal experience, but having lived 2 streets away from where a Ukranian national who entered the UK on a false Estonian passport was running a marriage scam outfit of pairing eastern Europeans with Africans with expired UK visas, helped by a Nigerian lawyer in London and a corrupt Church of England vicar and drinking at bar where the Ukranian barmaid, who left after falling for a northern builder doing a shop refit job and leaving the delights of Hastings & St. Leonards for some dump up north instead, was acknowledged by word of mouth as apparently previously being the best £100 a hour Hooker in The Medway towns, despite having a boyfriend/pimp who had a crack habit. I never had the pleasure in either a personal or professional capacity with her myself, but for a girl from a small town in Ukraine having that honour perhaps must be quite something for her.

I'm sure my experience of Ukrainians isn't representative of Ukrainians as a whole though, so if the people of Lincolnshire have to make do with them rather than EU nationals in the future working the farms and utilising the local amenities alongside them, I'm sure it's exactly what they voted for.

£100 an hour hookers?Haven't you got any Rumanians down South?

 

[Baldseagull]

£100 an hour hookers?Haven't you got any Rumanians down South?

Did you mean Ruminants? Pastas thing maybe.

 

[Two Professors]

Did you mean Ruminants? Pastas thing maybe.

Some of them are ugly cows,but they're not very deer.Pasta definitely voted Leave,not Ruminant.

 

[pastafarian]

I didn't say the youth mobility visa wasn't reciprocal. It's a reciprocal visa arrangement between developed countries though. You know - developed countries like all EU member states are that we might reach agreement with and have free movement of workers as is rumoured as a proposal in our best possible deal/deep and special partnership/Brexit means Brexit etc future utopia arrangement with them.

As for farm labourers and Afghans - Michael Gove specifically mentioned Ukraine a short while back as being where it's at if and when SAW visas are reintroduced. I can only speak from personal experience, but having lived 2 streets away from where a Ukranian national who entered the UK on a false Estonian passport was running a marriage scam outfit of pairing eastern Europeans with Africans with expired UK visas, helped by a Nigerian lawyer in London and a corrupt Church of England vicar and drinking at bar where the Ukranian barmaid, who left after falling for a northern builder doing a shop refit job and leaving the delights of Hastings & St. Leonards for some dump up north instead, was acknowledged by word of mouth as apparently previously being the best £100 a hour Hooker in The Medway towns, despite having a boyfriend/pimp who had a crack habit. I never had the pleasure in either a personal or professional capacity with her myself, but for a girl from a small town in Ukraine having that honour perhaps must be quite something for her.

I'm sure my experience of Ukrainians isn't representative of Ukrainians as a whole though, so if the people of Lincolnshire have to make do with them rather than EU nationals in the future working the farms and utilising the local amenities alongside them, I'm sure it's exactly what they voted for.

Im sure it isn’t either, bit of a pointless story really.
Not convinced small town Ukrainian girls strive for the honour of being the best £100 hookers, but im sure you know best on that front.

I doubt it, but hey, you all knew what you voted for so maybe they did?

Yep, I did indeed know what I voted for

 

[dazzer6666]

Off to Vilamoura Portugal tomorrow, looking forward to it. Couple of rounds of golf and some nice port

Cough*Cat’s Club*cough