[Politics] Brexit

[larus]

This is a symptom of why we should leave the ‘Protectionist’ EU.

Regarding Trump and his threat about tariffs on EU cars:
“Experts said negotiations with the EU could yield better results. Cars built in America currently face a 10% tariff when they enter the EU, while vehicles shipped from Europe to the US are charged 2.5%”.

So much for free trade. Seem they want everything on their own terms - well’ who’d have thought that eh!

 

[Dave the OAP]

Hopefully we both disliked Thatcher a wee bit

A tad more than a wee bit!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

This is a symptom of why we should leave the ‘Protectionist’ EU.

Regarding Trump and his threat about tariffs on EU cars:
“Experts said negotiations with the EU could yield better results. Cars built in America currently face a 10% tariff when they enter the EU, while vehicles shipped from Europe to the US are charged 2.5%”.

So much for free trade. Seem they want everything on their own terms - well’ who’d have thought that eh!

Amusing to see Canada, Australia, Mexico getting exemptions from new US tariffs .... how is this possible? I thought being locked into a political union/trade block is the only way to protect our interests

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

I'm sure all the good people of Yorkshire who voted Leave by a big margin and the fine residents of Barnsley who voted by a landslide for leave would have some choice words for the delightful mix of undemocratic loons, federalists, patronising bellends, anti UK europhiles, champagne socialists, hard left twunts, i'm alright jack types that populate this thread who think leave voters were either duped or too thick to understand what they were voting for.

Of course leave voters were not duped or too thick to understand what they were voting for.
Just pure ignorance.
Immigration was uppermost in the thoughts of the majority of leave voters but of course they won't admit it as they never do.
The "I have many great Polish friends, but" brigade, pure ignorance.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Of course leave voters were not duped or too thick to understand what they were voting for.
Just pure ignorance.
Immigration was uppermost in the thoughts of the majority of leave voters but of course they won't admit it as they never do.
The "I have many great Polish friends, but" brigade, pure ignorance.

Thanks for reinforcing my accurate characterisations. 'Patronising bellends' *tick*

Polling suggests immigration wasn't the main issue though it was a significant one.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

Also, net immigration from the EU has fallen since the vote so Leave voters who wanted this outcome are likely to be pleased.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Have you stopped panicking over the “huge crash on Wall Steet” now precious? I realise that economics and facts aren’t your strong points - more of a specialist in overreaction, knee-jerk comments and tantrums I feel. I think you must get on well with The Clamp and his “we’re in a recession now” statements.

The EU says no cherry-picking. Well, the EU wants to Cherry Pick.

It wants very few tariffs on goods (i.e what it sells much more of to us than we do to them).
It wants co-operation on security, defence and science. Of course it does, because we’re fecking good at these areas.
They want to keep fishing in our waters.
But services, oh no, we cna’t do that as that would be cherry pickling. You need to stop sucking on the teat of the EU and look at how they want to try to treat us.

I’d tell Ireland to go feck themselves. You want to dictate to us - you’re a tiny, insignificant country of 4m people. We don’t need to trade with you - you need us. Don’t like it - well tough.

We should plan for WTO rules. This won’t stop trade - it won’t make trade illegal with the EU. Yes, it changes the dynamics but these are short-term issues which people/companies get around. The EU has so many issues to sort (i.e. Italy, EURO, anti-EU sentiment rising across the block, etc.), they’d stupid to antagonise the 5th/6th largest economy in the world. If we walk with no deal, there would be enormous support for telling the EU to stick their demands for £40bln. That would really feck their budget plans up.

So much anger; same old narrative = British exceptionalism. Therein lies the key to our relationship with the EU.

 

[larus]

So much anger; same old narrative = British exceptionalism. Therein lies the key to our relationship with the EU.

Oh dear. Seems like you don’t know the difference between anger and principles. The remainers (appeasers) seem quite happy to bend over and take a shafting from the power hungry technocrats in Brussels and not stand up for yourselves.

Some of us maybe can maybe question what these technocrats are saying and have the balls to question it.

 

[portslade seagull]

Amusing to see Canada, Australia, Mexico getting exemptions from new US tariffs .... how is this possible? I thought being locked into a political union/trade block is the only way to protect our interests

That's the weird bit I thought Trumps angst was with countries like Mexico yet they get an exemption and a big wall to boot

 

[5ways]

Amusing to see Canada, Australia, Mexico getting exemptions from new US tariffs .... how is this possible? I thought being locked into a political union/trade block is the only way to protect our interests

Good point. These countries and their relatively small economies are at the whim of a lunatic. The EU can stand up for itself.

 

[nicko31]

I’d tell Ireland to go feck themselves. You want to dictate to us - you’re a tiny, insignificant country of 4m people. We don’t need to trade with you - you need us. Don’t like it - well tough.

I know you aren't going to get the Brexit you were promised and believed. But this isn't nice

 

[nicko31]

The Brexit waters get murkier by the day

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...t-layers-allegations-opaque-funding-brexiters


Think of Brexit as a matryoshka, or a Russian nesting doll, with voting to leave the EU as the outer doll, representing all the various things we were sold: free trade, prosperity, sovereignty, transparency, increased control over borders, and less money sent to Brussels. Pulling off the outer doll reveals another doll that represents something much more worrying.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The Brexit waters get murkier by the day

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...t-layers-allegations-opaque-funding-brexiters


Think of Brexit as a matryoshka, or a Russian nesting doll, with voting to leave the EU as the outer doll, representing all the various things we were sold: free trade, prosperity, sovereignty, transparency, increased control over borders, and less money sent to Brussels. Pulling off the outer doll reveals another doll that represents something much more worrying.

only because shit stirrers like you muddy it, still leaving.
regards
DR

 

[GT49er]

Oh dear another Cameron cock up could come back to bite the Tories

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-countdown-legal-bid-could-12162235

Oh right. EU rules, then, is it? Vote the 'right' way, and if you don't, keep on voting again and again until all you stupid peasants who Brussels would rather didn't have a vote at all vote the 'right' way............

Thank f*** we're leaving! And if all the London-centric luvvies in the Westminster bubble f*** t up, God help them!

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Oh dear. Seems like you don’t know the difference between anger and principles. The remainers (appeasers) seem quite happy to bend over and take a shafting from the power hungry technocrats in Brussels and not stand up for yourselves.

Some of us maybe can maybe question what these technocrats are saying and have the balls to question it.

I fee that a senior post in the (post Brexit) Diplomatic Service is at your disposal.

 

[larus]

I know you aren't going to get the Brexit you were promised and believed. But this isn't nice

It’s quite clear that they want to use this as a lever to gain more influence over NI. Even you must be able to see that.

We have already said that there can be a frictionless border, but it’s the EU who are insisting that there can’t be. If every suggestion which we make gets rejected and called ‘Cherry Picking’, then we should turn round and tell them to feck off. Yes, I accept there may be some short-term discomfort, and most Brexit voters understand that too. However, negotiations need to be that (clue - the word is to NEGOTIATE). However, the EU want to DICTATE (it has a history of this). So, we should be as accommodating as possible, but then be prepared to walk away and tell them the £40bln cheque is in the post.

 

[larus]

I fee that a senior post in the (post Brexit) Diplomatic Service is at your disposal.

There’s a difference between negotiation and subservience.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Yes as predicted.....

UK makes ridiculous demands

EU says go whistle

Brexiteers and offshore media owners blame the evil EU and say thank god we're leaving

When we're IN we want a load of opt OUTS, when we're OUT we want a load of opt INS. But we are special

How can you be bullied when you hold all the aces?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

It’s quite clear that they want to use this as a lever to gain more influence over NI. Even you must be able to see that.

We have already said that there can be a frictionless border, but it’s the EU who are insisting that there can’t be. If every suggestion which we make gets rejected and called ‘Cherry Picking’, then we should turn round and tell them to feck off. Yes, I accept there may be some short-term discomfort, and most Brexit voters understand that too. However, negotiations need to be that (clue - the word is to NEGOTIATE). However, the EU want to DICTATE (it has a history of this). So, we should be as accommodating as possible, but then be prepared to walk away and tell them the £40bln cheque is in the post.

Think it's out order what the EU are trying to do over the border. Our government has told them there will be no border. Doesn't it just prove what we have said all along, the EU has too much power, and it's why many voted Leave. We have been very fair in this country, being one of the largest contributors to the EU budget, it still doesn't stop them treating us like crap. Think it's a disgrace.

 

[ManOfSussex]

It’s quite clear that they want to use this as a lever to gain more influence over NI. Even you must be able to see that.

We have already said that there can be a frictionless border, but it’s the EU who are insisting that there can’t be. If every suggestion which we make gets rejected and called ‘Cherry Picking’, then we should turn round and tell them to feck off. Yes, I accept there may be some short-term discomfort, and most Brexit voters understand that too. However, negotiations need to be that (clue - the word is to NEGOTIATE). However, the EU want to DICTATE (it has a history of this). So, we should be as accommodating as possible, but then be prepared to walk away and tell them the £40bln cheque is in the post.

So if we walk away there's also the other border issue closer to home which nobody mentions - Dover/Calais/Kent/Pas-de-Calais. As well as the additional customs infrastructure needed and the new HMRC CDS system which almost certainly wont be ready for next year, there's the need to build lorry parks off the M20, widen the motorway itself, duel the A2 and ideally have the Lower Thames Crossing built and ready too. Obviously having been told to F-Off, the French will need to do whatever is needed their side too. None of this I see happening anytime soon. What do you think the French would do at Calais next year in the event of a 'no deal'? Let lorries and freight through as normal, despite us now being a 3rd country like Morocco because we're British, start manually checking things, or even close Pas-de-Calais off to lorries from the UK? How long is acceptable short-term discomfort for Phase 4 of Operation Stack to be in place in Kent?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

So if we walk away there's also the other border issue closer to home which nobody mentions - Dover/Calais/Kent/Pas-de-Calais. As well as the additional customs infrastructure needed and the new HMRC CDS system which almost certainly wont be ready for next year, there's the need to build lorry parks off the M20, widen the motorway itself, duel the A2 and ideally have the Lower Thames Crossing built and ready too. Obviously having been told to F-Off, the French will need to do whatever is needed their side too. None of this I see happening anytime soon. What do you think the French would do at Calais next year in the event of a 'no deal'? Let lorries and freight through as normal, despite us now being a 3rd country like Morocco because we're British, start manually checking things, or even close Pas-de-Calais off to lorries from the UK? How long is acceptable short-term discomfort for Phase 4 of Operation Stack to be in place in Kent?

Of course they would also keep the Jungle open and stop people trying to get to the UK as well