[Politics] Brexit

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Barnier is being pretty bullish, mainly because of the total inadequacy of the UK govt's approach. Barnier is thus turning the screw on a weak negotiator. There is just the worry that this will push May - surrounded as she is by the 'swivel-eyed loons' of the Tory right, not to mention the DUP - into a corner from which there is no way out other than pressing the WTO-rules option button: a lose-lose with the main loser being the UK. Should this happen - and it must be a possible if not likely outcome - then presumably Parliament would cast a vote of no-confidence................and where do we go to from there?
All speculative but I can't see phase 2 of the Brexit negotiations proceeding in any constructive way; there were too many fudges in phase 1 just waiting to block the road.

Perhaps if she just dumped the headless body of Boris on the Grande Place in Brussels it might break the deadlock?

 

[ManOfSussex]

no it wasn't ,it was you being a negative again shocker !
regards
DR

What's actually negative or positive then about the fact, by the governments own admittance, new regulatory bodies will need to be set up?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Perhaps if she just dumped the headless body of Boris on the Grande Place in Brussels it might break the deadlock?

Seen across the water as a joke that isn't funny anymore - https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/boris-johnson-is-a-joke-that-isn-t-funny-anymore-1.3408977

 

[Pavilionaire]

Maplin goes bust and May rejects EU suggestion on NI/ROI border without coming up with any workable suggestion herself.

Just another day in Brexit Britain, plenty more on their way. Shambles.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What's actually negative or positive then about the fact, by the governments own admittance, new regulatory bodies will need to be set up?

you're not listening are you
regards
DR

 

[ManOfSussex]

you're not listening are you
regards
DR

I do apologise, but it's very difficult to listen to someone when you don't understand them. I'm trying hard here, but toddler speak isn't my first language.

 

[nicko31]

Maplin goes bust and May rejects EU suggestion on NI/ROI border without coming up with any workable suggestion herself.

Just another day in Brexit Britain, plenty more on their way. Shambles.

Patent request submitted for Hormone Beef Detector

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I do apologise, but it's very difficult to listen to someone when you don't understand them. I'm trying hard, but toddler speak isn't my first language.

init
regards
DR

 

[beorhthelm]

as i understand it, what the EU proposes is that if there is no other agreement on Ireland/NI then an agreement for "common regulatory area" kicks in. infering if theres no agreement then NI stays in the EU. that isnt a solution from the EU, its a deliberate stalemate trying to kill off exiting the EU. but we've been here before, when the original joint agreement came out, cause consternation and they changed a bit of wording.

 

[Ernest]

John Major in his speech sticking it right up the swivel eyed loonies, at last a voice of reason

 

[dingodan]

as i understand it, what the EU proposes is that if there is no other agreement on Ireland/NI then an agreement for "common regulatory area" kicks in. infering if theres no agreement then NI stays in the EU. that isnt a solution from the EU, its a deliberate stalemate trying to kill off exiting the EU. but we've been here before, when the original joint agreement came out, cause consternation and they changed a bit of wording.

That's been the game all along. The EU position will always deliberately be one which we simply cannot agree to, they are banking on forcing us towards a no deal brexit, which they are then banking on the people/parliament/the media preventing from ever actually happening.

This whole thing is a trap. It's always been a trap IMO.

 

[vegster]

Party unity and clinging onto power more important to the Tories than what is best for the country

Strong and Stable

 

[Titanic]

John Major in his speech sticking it right up the swivel eyed loonies, at last a voice of reason

So you are happy to take money from Max Mosley and advice from John Major?

#interestingtimes

 

[vegster]

Barnier is being pretty bullish, mainly because of the total inadequacy of the UK govt's approach. Barnier is thus turning the screw on a weak negotiator. There is just the worry that this will push May - surrounded as she is by the 'swivel-eyed loons' of the Tory right, not to mention the DUP - into a corner from which there is no way out other than pressing the WTO-rules option button: a lose-lose with the main loser being the UK. Should this happen - and it must be a possible if not likely outcome - then presumably Parliament would cast a vote of no-confidence................and where do we go to from there?
All speculative but I can't see phase 2 of the Brexit negotiations proceeding in any constructive way; there were too many fudges in phase 1 just waiting to block the road.

Perhaps if she just dumped the headless body of Boris on the Grande Place in Brussels it might break the deadlock?

If only Philips Hammond had handed her a cyanide pill instead of a cough sweet at her party conference address.

 

[ManOfSussex]

So you are happy to take money from Max Mosley and advice from John Major?

#interestingtimes

If you know that Max Mosley has done something wrong, please phone the police - I've already told you that The Met Police have received no complaints in regards to evidence he gave whilst under oath, so if you know something they don't, you're going need to break the 11th commandant here and make that call - It'd be much more public spirited of you than trolling on a football forum about it.

 

[CheeseRolls]

as i understand it, what the EU proposes is that if there is no other agreement on Ireland/NI then an agreement for "common regulatory area" kicks in. infering if theres no agreement then NI stays in the EU. that isnt a solution from the EU, its a deliberate stalemate trying to kill off exiting the EU. but we've been here before, when the original joint agreement came out, cause consternation and they changed a bit of wording.

I am doubly interested in this thread and it keeps pulling me back in.

Firstly because I have been opposed from Brexit from the start and think we will deliver a watered down solution that suits nobody and it will just be a hugely expensive waste of time. The constant cries of you lost get over it, just leave me wondering who the winners are or will be. I strongly suspect nobody.

Secondly and linked to above, I have been waiting for a moment of clarity, a moment when someone says something and I think, well that might just work, even if I don't agree with it. If there was a decent search capability for this thread, I could go back pre referendum and find my post that pointed out that the Northern Ireland border was going to prove a huge challenge. This isn't as a result of any EU policy, just a hard fact of the hard won truce. It is now being described as a trade boarder, which is conveniently fluffy. How do you stop EU immigrants from walking into the UK ? How do people living and working either side of the border operate and how do you police an invisible border. The asnwer would appear to be it is not an English problem.

Blame the EU, blame "remoaners", but we have a government propped up by the DUP and the are not going to agree to becoming second class UK citizens to pacify English Brexiteers who are supposed to be part of the Conservative and Unionist party. This is the reality of politics fail to prepare prepare to fail. We are all (b)remoaners now stalemate beckons.

 

[beorhthelm]

... It is now being described as a trade boarder, which is conveniently fluffy. How do you stop EU immigrants from walking into the UK ? How do people living and working either side of the border operate and how do you police an invisible border. The asnwer would appear to be it is not an English problem.

it isnt a practical immigration issue due to geography. anyone EU citizen could simply fly in to Gatwick as a tourist a lot easier than travel to Dublin then Belfast and catch a ferry. its comparable how how you deal with non EU migrants landing in Switzerland and walking into the EU. trade is a more pressing issue because of concerns NI would be used as back door for goods into the EU.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If only Philips Hammond had handed her a cyanide pill instead of a cough sweet at her party conference address.

I bet he was tempted.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Lots of chest thumping from the Tories over the EU text, hope they have those rebels onboard

Barnier made a very good point in that maybe Britain should come up with a solution then. Theresa May is an utter embarrassment. I didn’t think she could undermine her own stupidity.....but she has.

 

[CheeseRolls]

it isnt a practical immigration issue due to geography. anyone EU citizen could simply fly in to Gatwick as a tourist a lot easier than travel to Dublin then Belfast and catch a ferry. its comparable how how you deal with non EU migrants landing in Switzerland and walking into the EU. trade is a more pressing issue because of concerns NI would be used as back door for goods into the EU.

Oh come on enough of your guff. Either this is a race to the bottom, in which case the EU and British consumers, have every right to question the sanity of the project, or a truly competitive nirvana will evolve where competitive advantages exist on both sides and Michael Gove et al will want to protect the world class high standards that the newly liberated UK has put in place. In which case the UK is just as interested as the EU in enforcing a border.

If EU migrants can be deterred by a few transport logistics, it would be simpler to just award the Eurostar and Eurotunnel contracts to Southern