[Politics] Brexit

[Wrong-Direction]

Build a few more. Where do i pick up my prize?

I told him that days ago, selective hearing..

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[Hampster Gull]

I told him that days ago, selective hearing..

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Yes, didn't think i could have been the first with the brainwave. When i get the prize i will forward it on to you

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You are against present levels of immigration which is a legitimate view to have but the specific question you ask is no different to asking "How will our hospitals and schools in the South East cater for the growing numbers of people moving from the north of England?" Infrastructure develops to the meet the needs, as others have explained, but at the same time the best long term way to discourage people moving from Bolton to Brighton is to make Bolton better. That's the principle behind running the country (or it should be) and it is also the principle behind the EU.

You will, I expect, says there's a big difference between people moving from Bolton and people moving from Bratislava. The difference is that the latter are foreigners, and I guess that is why you are complaining about them. Fair enough.

Of course it's completely different. People moving from one part of the UK to the other doesn't increase overall demand just regional variation. External net mass immigration is 100% new demand on school places, NHS and housing plus other services.

There is also the not insignificant matter of scale. For internal movement within the UK regions see the entire population of the EU having the freedom to live and work here.

Please explain how infrastructure can develop to meet the needs if we have no idea what the need is because we cannot control EU immigration rates to the UK. The evidence shows how our infrastructure is struggling to cope, no amount of wishing it away will change this.

Not sure the people of Greece believe making their country better is a guiding principle of the EU. If all past and new EU accession countries had to reach a required level of economic prosperity that matched UK,France and Germany then perhaps their citizens wouldn't need to come in such great numbers. But the large wage disparities mean the more prosperous nations are hoovering up large numbers of skilled and younger people, Poland's population is actually falling. Not sure how this is helping make Poland better but will make it more dependant on EU handouts.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I told him that days ago, selective hearing..

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See post #4416 and #4417 or just ignore them its easier than confronting the reality.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

When the vote goes remain i hope all the remainers come back on here in 15 years and post how sorry they are that this country is ruined

 

[yxee]

If people think remain is the status quo, it is not. The status quo is 1000 years of British independence. The EU is a new experiment.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

See post #4416 and #4417 or just ignore them its easier than confronting the reality.

Or just ignore the billions of pounds of unpaid tax that could be used on building new houses, schools ect..

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[GoldWithFalmer]

Or just ignore the billions of pounds of unpaid tax that could be used on building new houses, schools ect..

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It will only get worse,what with Brussels and the EU controlling things......it will be trillions in years to come

 

[Wrong-Direction]

It will only get worse,what with Brussels and the EU controlling things......it will be trillions in years to come

I'm pretty sure I'll be voting out now anyway, just saying it won't solve all of our problems, the country's still f***ed whatever

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[JC Footy Genius]

Or just ignore the billions of pounds of unpaid tax that could be used on building new houses, schools ect..

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Completely agree we should do more recouping unpaid tax but that wouldn't address the problem as we don't know what the demand for school places or housing or NHS services will be if we can't control rates of immigration to this country.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

I'm pretty sure I'll be voting out now anyway, just saying it won't solve all of our problems, the country's still f***ed whatever

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It may appear that way,but everything that has a beginning has an end,even the hard times never last...

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Of course it's completely different. People moving from one part of the UK to the other doesn't increase overall demand just regional variation. External net mass immigration is 100% new demand on school places, NHS and housing plus other services.

There is also the not insignificant matter of scale. For internal movement within the UK regions see the entire population of the EU having the freedom to live and work here.

Please explain how infrastructure can develop to meet the needs if we have no idea what the need is because we cannot control EU immigration rates to the UK. The evidence shows how our infrastructure is struggling to cope, no amount of wishing it away will change this.

Not sure the people of Greece believe making their country better is a guiding principle of the EU. If all past and new EU accession countries had to reach a required level of economic prosperity that matched UK,France and Germany then perhaps their citizens wouldn't need to come in such great numbers. But the large wage disparities mean the more prosperous nations are hoovering up large numbers of skilled and younger people, Poland's population is actually falling. Not sure how this is helping make Poland better but will make it more dependant on EU handouts.

Of course it's not completely different.

The number of people arriving in, say, the south of England cannot be forecast exactly, irrespective of where they come from. In both cases infrastructure develops to cater for need. The way such development is funded was not the question posed in this case, perhaps because the issue of the economics of immigration has been discussed on this thread ad infinitum. I think I know that you do not accept that immigration is at worst self-funding but that was not the question on the table.

PS If you were to say that the infrastructure of part of England are below standard I would agree with you. But that's another different question, and nothing to do with immigration.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Very good post.

That is why, I believe, Scotland and Wales are so in favour of remaining. How much immigration do they have? It's all good for them as they reap the benefits of large EU grants, funded indirectly by...us!

It has been mentioned elsewhere that the number of immigrants in a particular area does not universally lead to an increase in anti-immigration Brexitism. If anything, the opposite tends to be true.

 

[yxee]

It has been mentioned elsewhere that the number of immigrants in a particular area does not universally lead to an increase in anti-immigration Brexitism. If anything, the opposite tends to be true.

Hence my theory on immigrants voting for more immigration...

 

[pastafarian]

The government funds them, builds more, from the increase in taxes. After all, this is what taxes should be used for.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration

Where do I collect my prize?

That report you quote that migrants make a positive economic impact is full of holes
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/1.41

please dont steal prizes you are not entitled to

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Of course it's not completely different.

The number of people arriving in, say, the south of England cannot be forecast exactly, irrespective of where they come from. In both cases infrastructure develops to cater for need. The way such development is funded was not the question posed in this case, perhaps because the issue of the economics of immigration has been discussed on this thread ad infinitum. I think I know that you do not accept that immigration is at worst self-funding but that was not the question on the table.

PS If you were to say that the infrastructure of part of England are below standard I would agree with you. But that's another different question, and nothing to do with immigration.

The Question on the table was "Any inner out there prepared to tell me exactly how our hospitals schools etc are to cope with the growing numbers of migrants/immigrants coming to this country each year?"

You interpreted it to suit your own argument but most people would think finding the money for new schools/hospitals and finding and paying for the staff is a necessary part of 'coping' with largescale immigration. As they would the scale and speed of immigration.

 

[Murray 17]

Hence my theory on immigrants voting for more immigration...

Yes.

Well, I understood the point you were making!☺

 

[Lincoln Imp]

The Question on the table was "Any inner out there prepared to tell me exactly how our hospitals schools etc are to cope with the growing numbers of migrants/immigrants coming to this country each year?"

You interpreted it to suit your own argument but most people would think finding the money for new schools/hospitals and finding and paying for the staff is a necessary part of 'coping' with largescale immigration. As they would the scale and speed of immigration.

I mentioned that the issue of the economics of immigration has been discussed ad infinitum, as it has been. I responded to the question raised.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Hence my theory on immigrants voting for more immigration...

So by that calculation the city with one of the highest levels of new EU immigrants would be one of the least Eurosceptic in the country?

 

[yxee]

So by that calculation the city with one of the highest levels of new EU immigrants would be one of the least Eurosceptic in the country?

It is not a calculation, it is a theory!

Are you referring to anywhere in particular?