[Politics] Brexit

[Hampster Gull]

In the past month the pound is up about 1.5% against most currencies, almost all the 9% against the USD is down to its weakness.

Could do better 3/10

Don’t let facts get in the way here

 

[GT49er]

UKIP is irrelevant now - it’s raison d'être was to get the UK to leave the EU. I never voted for UKIP as I was not able to vote in the election where they got 14 odd percent of the vote. If I had voted, I would have voted for them. Not to get them into power, but to send a message to the establishment that I was anti the EU. We’ve had years of being told that “it’s in the manifesto’ as if that is some form of justification, and this has been used as a way to justify on-going membership of the EU as the political parties were both in favour.

Then UKIP comes along and (much to the abhorrence of many left-wing luvvies) Nigel Farage struck a chord with huge numbers of people in the land and made the impossible happen by getting a major party to commit to a referendum. I never thought leave would win, but I would have lived in hope that the EU would eventually implode due to a crisis caused by the EURO (which i still think will happen eventually anyway).

So, despite all of the snide remarks regarding racism and thick UKIP/Leave voters, UKIP have succeeded. Their job is done IMO, and they are an irrelevance now. Within 2-3 years (max) after the next round of local elections they will cease to exist.

Many won’t mourn their demise (and that includes me). They are a cowboy party of people who have no idea about politics really but what they have achieved will live long in peoples memories, whether you support or despair at the outcome.

Top post!

UKIP should never really have tried to be a 'real' political party - nobody is, or ever was, interested in their views on education, financial policy, health, etc, and now they're just a nothing right wing party, nastier than the Tories but not as nasty as the BNP. The worry is, they might still have a job to do if the luvvies in Westminster - who are heavily in favour of remaining to the EU; 3 to 1 in favour of Brussels, isn't it, or 4 to 1? - try and welch on the promise Cameron made, when UKIP might be needed again. Or more to the point, Farage will be needed again - like him or loathe him, the man is a very effective mover and shaker; he, more than anyone else, is the man who got us out, after all. Hopefully, we'll leave successfully, then UKIP can fade away.

 

[Baldseagull]

Now you tell me, I cannot recall you putting that caveat into your predictions, did you think the world economy was going to have a few years off ??

It's had the last ten years off.

 

[scousefan]

29th March is my birthday. I find the whole Brexit thing depressing and am not looking forward to it. We deliberately bought Peter Kay tickets for that night but then he went and cancelled....

 

[Hampster Gull]

But are you sure 'the job is done"? It would take a perfect storm to stop it but the arguments about the sort of Brexit, or even what Brexit actually means, rage on. Hammond says one thing, Boris says another. The Conservative Party is at each other's throats; the Labour Party seems to be drifting in a Norwegian direction. For enthusiasts, the milder forms of Brexit aren't Brexit at all. One of the most frequent posters on this thread maintains that 80 per cent of the people who voted in the last election were demanding a Brexit variant that large numbers of MPs - a majority across the House perhaps - seem not to want.

On the face of it you'd expect UKIP's claim to be the guide dogs (or even guard dogs) of pure Brexit to find a huge and clamouring response. But it clearly doesn't. The one party promising to fight for the sort of Brexit the ultras always demanded seems to be fading away before the task is done - before, even, anyone can be absolutely totally certain that the task will be achieved at all.

It is all most odd. It's almost as though June 2016 was the high point of protest. People stuck their fingers in the air and that was that. The Brexit voters made their gesture and now they're a bit bored with the whole thing.

You’re spot on LI. For me the Brexit Ultras are becoming more and more isolated and as the debate sobers up they are the ones unable to see partnership and compromise as healthy. Fortunately the tide has turned and as even one of them stated most MPs don’t want an extreme exit. It’s unlikely to happen as they wish, the Trump like populist kick back is one the wane.

 

[larus]

I have utter faith in him but he can’t perform miracles, silk purses and sows ears etc. He’s doing an amazing job dispite everything which is thrown at him. I dread to think where the UK would be in lesser hands.

Please explain what he has done that’s is so amazing for the UK economy.

When he took over in 2013 interest rates were 0.5%. Apart the the f*ck up (as it is widely agreed) of reducing to 0.25 post the leave vote and subsequently raising again, that are unchanged under his tenure.

As the BOE only has responsibility over the setting of interest rates, I am genuinely interested in where this adoration comes from for the Mark “The Messiah” Carney. Please enlighten us as to what he has done to which is so amazing.

 

[The Clamp]

UKIP is irrelevant now - it’s raison d'être was to get the UK to leave the EU. I never voted for UKIP as I was not able to vote in the election where they got 14 odd percent of the vote. If I had voted, I would have voted for them. Not to get them into power, but to send a message to the establishment that I was anti the EU. We’ve had years of being told that “it’s in the manifesto’ as if that is some form of justification, and this has been used as a way to justify on-going membership of the EU as the political parties were both in favour.

Then UKIP comes along and (much to the abhorrence of many left-wing luvvies) Nigel Farage struck a chord with huge numbers of people in the land and made the impossible happen by getting a major party to commit to a referendum. I never thought leave would win, but I would have lived in hope that the EU would eventually implode due to a crisis caused by the EURO (which i still think will happen eventually anyway).

So, despite all of the snide remarks regarding racism and thick UKIP/Leave voters, UKIP have succeeded. Their job is done IMO, and they are an irrelevance now. Within 2-3 years (max) after the next round of local elections they will cease to exist.

Many won’t mourn their demise (and that includes me). They are a cowboy party of people who have no idea about politics really but what they have achieved will live long in peoples memories, whether you support or despair at the outcome.

Says it all really. A cowboy party with no idea about politics managed to manipulate you into voting leave. That's why we think you're thick.

 

[larus]

Says it all really. A cowboy party with no idea about politics managed to manipulate you into voting leave. That's why we think you're thick.

Being called thick by you is a compliment Nibble.

You’re the retard who was on about a recession being predicted by lots of economists yet couldn’t back it up with anything. Go back to your slime-pool as you really add nothing to the debate. All you do is make up lies as you’re still crying over the vote.

 

[The Clamp]

Being called thick by you is a compliment Nibble.

You’re the retard who was on about a recession being predicted by lots of economists yet couldn’t back it up with anything. Go back to your slime-pool as you really add nothing to the debate. All you do is make up lies as you’re still crying over the vote.

I'm not the dumb **** that got conned into selling the UK down the river. You'll see what you have been puppeteered into doing soon enough.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Please explain what he has done that’s is so amazing for the UK economy.

When he took over in 2013 interest rates were 0.5%. Apart the the f*ck up (as it is widely agreed) of reducing to 0.25 post the leave vote and subsequently raising again, that are unchanged under his tenure.

As the BOE only has responsibility over the setting of interest rates, I am genuinely interested in where this adoration comes from for the Mark “The Messiah” Carney. Please enlighten us as to what he has done to which is so amazing.

Jesus. The BoE has much more responsibility than just interest rates. This might help you understand https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/about

 

[nicko31]

Top post!

UKIP should never really have tried to be a 'real' political party - nobody is, or ever was, interested in their views on education, financial policy, health, etc, and now they're just a nothing right wing party, nastier than the Tories but not as nasty as the BNP. The worry is, they might still have a job to do if the luvvies in Westminster - who are heavily in favour of remaining to the EU; 3 to 1 in favour of Brussels, isn't it, or 4 to 1? - try and welch on the promise Cameron made, when UKIP might be needed again. Or more to the point, Farage will be needed again - like him or loathe him, the man is a very effective mover and shaker; he, more than anyone else, is the man who got us out, after all. Hopefully, we'll leave successfully, then UKIP can fade away.

Think the public are listening to Farage again

The penny is starting to drop with the public, latest ICM poll give a significant majority wanting a 2nd referendum

 

[larus]

Jesus. The BoE has much more responsibility than just interest rates. This might help you understand https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/about

Wow, I never realised that (sarcasm in case it’s too subtle for you). Maybe you’d like to answer my question. What has Mark Carney done which his so impressive? All I’ve seen him do is make predictions which have constantly proven to be wrong and continually make snide comments about the UK economy/Brexit. He should be neutral but he’s not.

 

[larus]

I'm not the dumb **** that got conned into selling the UK down the river. You'll see what you have been puppeteered into doing soon enough.

You’re the dumb f*ck who was on about a recession. You’re too thick to even realise you’re thick.

The UK has not been sold down the river; the UK is doing fine without the need for QE (as the the Eurozone), and steady growth which will (IMO) turn out to be better then the failed predictions from Carney, IMF etc. After all, their track record is dubious at best.

 

[GT49er]

Think the public are listening to Farage again

The penny is starting to drop with the public, latest ICM poll give a significant majority wanting a 2nd referendum

I think you'll find that that is a significant majority of remainers, those who still cannot bring themselves to accept the fact that the referendum said 'Out'!

 

[larus]

Think the public are listening to Farage again

The penny is starting to drop with the public, latest ICM poll give a significant majority wanting a 2nd referendum

And there’s been other recent polls stating that most people are still of the same views as before. Other polls showing that reamin voters accepted the outcome (well, those that support democracy I guess) and felt we should get on with it.

Polls are a limited snapshot do not really have a very good tack record recently do they? But you want to accept this one as accurate/true as it fits in with your views.

 

[portslade seagull]

And there’s been other recent polls stating that most people are still of the same views as before. Other polls showing that reamin voters accepted the outcome (well, those that support democracy I guess) and felt we should get on with it.

Polls are a limited snapshot do not really have a very good tack record recently do they? But you want to accept this one as accurate/true as it fits in with your views.

I know plenty of remainers who would now vote out and are somewhat pissed off with what they class as whining and not accepting a result

 

[Baldseagull]

You’re the dumb f*ck who was on about a recession. You’re too thick to even realise you’re thick.

The UK has not been sold down the river; the UK is doing fine without the need for QE (as the the Eurozone), and steady growth which will (IMO) turn out to be better then the failed predictions from Carney, IMF etc. After all, their track record is dubious at best.

If we were doing fine the BoE would be selling off the bonds it bought, it isn't, it is sitting on them.

 

[portslade seagull]

If we were doing fine the BoE would be selling off the bonds it bought, it isn't, it is sitting on them.

Increasing in price are they ??

 

[The Clamp]

You’re the dumb f*ck who was on about a recession. You’re too thick to even realise you’re thick.

The UK has not been sold down the river; the UK is doing fine without the need for QE (as the the Eurozone), and steady growth which will (IMO) turn out to be better then the failed predictions from Carney, IMF etc. After all, their track record is dubious at best.

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Calm down Dorothy. See, this is why there is no point in a second referen-dumb because current leave voters are either to stupid to realise their mistake or too stubborn to admit to it. No, the only answer is to reverse the first decision. You people need protecting from your own stupidity.

 

[The Clamp]

I know plenty of remainers who would now vote out and are somewhat pissed off with what they class as whining and not accepting a result

I call bullshit on this. No you don't.