[Politics] Brexit

[JC Footy Genius]

Surely not. Jezza said he would be PM by Christmas.

And he's predicting he will by the next ..

 

[pastafarian]

Just to show that the EU didn't have a uniform passport. This is a picture of the passports belonging to the member countries.
https://twitter.com/finlayson_i/status/944138569383403520

Out of interest why are you sharing a picture claiming to be EU member countries passports when there are 46 passports to view including countries that are not EU members.
Has there been a massive unknown expansion overnight? Is the Turkish passport included in the image because its wishful thinking?

Exactly my point previously. We never needed to change to maroon.

If you voluntarily sign up to an agreement to have a uniform passport where the colour is specified as Burgundy red you are sort of obliged to stick to your agreement, unless of course you specify to not wanting to adhere to the colour part or you unsign yourself from it later considering its not legally binding.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:41981X0919&qid=1513968423039&from=EN

As for pastafarian saying I shouldn't listen to experts, my daughter is a chartered tax accountant with Unilever, so I would think she knows exactly what she's talking about.

Where did i tell you not to listen to experts, think you are confusing me with someone else.

 

[Sorrel]

The only that annoys me in the passport "row" is the argument that the passports cost £500 million, when this is a cost that would be paid anyway, no matter what colour the passports were/are/will be.

 

[Buzzer]

I'd hold fire on new passports as the UK will fracture soon, don't want to do the job twice

Really? Wales voted Brexit, same as England and in the last election, the Tories had a disastrous election in England but a brilliant one in Scotland overwhelmingly down to Scots not wanting another ScotRef. Support for N.Ireland to remain in the UK is still in the majority even in the Catholic community.

Project Fear still stuck in fifth gear.


edit - apologies, I'd forgotten all about the People's Republic of Brighton and Hove.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Possible but I still think self-preservation and the prospect of that motley bunch of far left nutballs taking charge will focus the minds of all but the dimmest of the self-important rebels (Soubry et al).

You often talk Brexit nonsense : but you are right, the Tories won’t split, only a catastrophic election defend for a few successive elections might change the order. And those are very long dds

 

[A1X]

Surely the passport thing is an easy one to sort out? Those who voted Remain last year get to keep their red ones and keep their Freedom of Movement, those who voted Leave get the blue ones and lose their right to Freedom of Movement.

Everyone's happy.

 

[larus]

Disdain for experts, Trumptastic

The definition of madness - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. From my perspective, all I’ve seen is the elite making predictions and always being wrong. So, if I take these predictions of doom with a huge pinch of salt, then I do apologise. Some it seems, don’t havbe the ability to make their own judgement and need the nanny state to decide everything for them and tell them what to think.

 

[larus]

What has quantum efficiency (QE) got to do with it?

Are you being facetious or just thick? Genuine question.

 

[Blue3]

Surely the passport thing is an easy one to sort out? Those who voted Remain last year get to keep their red ones and keep their Freedom of Movement, those who voted Leave get the blue ones and lose their right to Freedom of Movement.

Everyone's happy.

I really like this as an idea

 

[WATFORD zero]

Well at least we've got a foreign secretary that can get on with lining up trade deals with the all important BRIC countries

Sorry, what was that

 

[larus]

You seem to be elated that we are crawling forwards on the back of increasing consumer debt, falling savings, and rising house prices, this can't go on. The value of exports is up, but not as much as the cost of imports, we are not in a healthy position, we are just not as badly off as we should have been yet.

So are you trying to now say that Brexit is responsible for the imbalance in the economy?

Are you trying to say that if we’d voted to remain we’d not be world leading exporters like Germany, because I really can’t see what the f*ck you’re whinging about.

Actually, yes I can.

Remainer : “The sky is falling in and the economy will go into a recession as soon as we vote to leave”
Brexiteer: “All scare-mongering pal, there will be uncertainty and of course some rebalancing will be needed which could be a good thing. Anyway, nothings happened apart from an overdue adjustment in the level of the pound, and that’s stabilised”.
Remainer : “Well, we didn’t mean it would happen straight away, what we meant is that it would happen eventually. And all the experts keep making predictions of a huge slow-down”.
Brexiteer : “OK, but it’s been 18 months now and growth has slackedned off from what it was, but, being honest, this happens in economies all the time. And there really hasn’t been a serious slowdown, inflation has peaked and interest rates have been adjusted back to where they were before and the economy is doing OK”.
Reaminer : “But it’’s not the wrong type of growth”.
Brexiteer : “And how is that the fault of Brexit?”
Remainer : “It just is, everything must be the fault of Brexit.”

 

[larus]

You can't give acronyms without defining them first. It makes you look thick.

Er no. If people want to start to talk about the strength of economies then I would expect them to have at least a rudimentary grasp of economic jargon. If someone doesn’t even understand what QE stands for in this context, then they really shoulfn’t be trying to make arguments about the relative strength or weakness of an economy.

It f*cks me off when idiots keep bleating on about how well the EU economy is doing. If it’s doing so well, why is QE (Quantitative Easing) still required, as this is an expansionary tool when interest rates cuts have been exhausted?

 

[Blue3]

So are you trying to now say that Brexit is responsible for the imbalance in the economy?

Are you trying to say that if we’d voted to remain we’d not be world leading exporters like Germany, because I really can’t see what the f*ck you’re whinging about.

Actually, yes I can.

Remainer : “The sky is falling in and the economy will go into a recession as soon as we vote to leave”
Brexiteer: “All scare-mongering pal, there will be uncertainty and of course some rebalancing will be needed which could be a good thing. Anyway, nothings happened apart from an overdue adjustment in the level of the pound, and that’s stabilised”.
Remainer : “Well, we didn’t mean it would happen straight away, what we meant is that it would happen eventually. And all the experts keep making predictions of a huge slow-down”.
Brexiteer : “OK, but it’s been 18 months now and growth has slackedned off from what it was, but, being honest, this happens in economies all the time. And there really hasn’t been a serious slowdown, inflation has peaked and interest rates have been adjusted back to where they were before and the economy is doing OK”.
Reaminer : “But it’’s not the wrong type of growth”.
Brexiteer : “And how is that the fault of Brexit?”
Remainer : “It just is, everything must be the fault of Brexit.”

Very silly post

 

[WATFORD zero]

So are you trying to now say that Brexit is responsible for the imbalance in the economy?

Are you trying to say that if we’d voted to remain we’d not be world leading exporters like Germany, because I really can’t see what the f*ck you’re whinging about.

Actually, yes I can.

Remainer : “The sky is falling in and the economy will go into a recession as soon as we vote to leave”
Brexiteer: “All scare-mongering pal, there will be uncertainty and of course some rebalancing will be needed which could be a good thing. Anyway, nothings happened apart from an overdue adjustment in the level of the pound, and that’s stabilised”.
Remainer : “Well, we didn’t mean it would happen straight away, what we meant is that it would happen eventually. And all the experts keep making predictions of a huge slow-down”.
Brexiteer : “OK, but it’s been 18 months now and growth has slackedned off from what it was, but, being honest, this happens in economies all the time. And there really hasn’t been a serious slowdown, inflation has peaked and interest rates have been adjusted back to where they were before and the economy is doing OK”.
Reaminer : “But it’’s not the wrong type of growth”.
Brexiteer : “And how is that the fault of Brexit?”
Remainer : “It just is, everything must be the fault of Brexit.”

Interestingly, I spent this afternoon with my IFA who has a very different view to you on what is currently happening and going to continue to happen to the UK economy.

Having spent 30+ years studying worldwide investments though, I have my suspicions that he may have some expertise in this area, and given what you've already told us about people who have expertise in any area, i think I should disregard his advice without further ado

 

[larus]

Interestingly, I spent this afternoon with my IFA who has a very different view to you on what is currently happening and going to continue to happen to the UK economy.

Having spent 30+ years studying worldwide investments though, I have my suspicions that he may have some expertise in this area, and given what you've already told us about people who have expertise in any area, i think I should disregard his advice without further ado

No problem. You haven’t been charged for this advice.

Of course, all of these experts have been so spot on haven’t they . Keep believing them if you want to.

 

[Hampster Gull]

No problem. You haven’t been charged for this advice.

Of course, all of these experts have been so spot on haven’t they . Keep believing them if you want to.

What do you define as an expert?

 

[larus]

What do you define as an expert?

Someone who gives advice and it proves to be right.

The problem with Brexit is that too many ‘experts’ have a vested interest/political agenda. The elite like globalisation as it makes it easier to enforce lower wages. For example : Carney - ex Goldman Sachs. Legarde - she’s a lawyer. Too many business leaders like the free movement to keep wages low.

When Peter dies wolf too many times, people stop believing. Can’t you understand that?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Someone who gives advice and it proves to be right.

The problem with Brexit is that too many ‘experts’ have a vested interest/political agenda. The elite like globalisation as it makes it easier to enforce lower wages. For example : Carney - ex Goldman Sachs. Legarde - she’s a lawyer. Too many business leaders like the free movement to keep wages low.

When Peter dies wolf too many times, people stop believing. Can’t you understand that?

So we should listen to 'experts' without a vested interest/political agenda like Nige, Boris, Gove and Leadsom

And there was me thinking that maybe I should go with the huge majority of MPs, Economists, Senior Civil Servants etc

 

[larus]

So we should listen to 'experts' without a vested interest/political agenda like Nige, Boris, Gove and Leadsom

And there was me thinking that maybe I should go with the huge majority of MPs, Economists, Senior Civil Servants etc

Think you’re getting confused. The major issue the remainers have with the leave campaign appears to the £350m per week on the NHS. Like most Brexit voters, I knew this was symbolism of the amount we were paying to the EU budget.

For me, the main issue was and still is about sovereignty and accountability. The EU elite are not accountable IMO.

But, getting back to the issue regarding experts, please tell me when they will be right. After all, we were warned of:
1. House price crash.
2. Interest rate rises.
3. 30bln emergency budget.
4. Immediate recession as soon as we VOTED leave (not implement leave).
5. And, of course, WWIII, no influence within NATO, etc. etc.

So, please oh wise one, advise me which of these key predictions, espoused by many of these so-called experts you seem to want to suck up to, has actually come true. Or even close to being true.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Someone who gives advice and it proves to be right.

The problem with Brexit is that too many ‘experts’ have a vested interest/political agenda. The elite like globalisation as it makes it easier to enforce lower wages. For example : Carney - ex Goldman Sachs. Legarde - she’s a lawyer. Too many business leaders like the free movement to keep wages low.

When Peter dies wolf too many times, people stop believing. Can’t you understand that?

Yes I can. It’s just you had said all experts before which I thought was extreme even on this thread. But the definition above, that it is only someone who is always right, is a bit of a nonsense. There will be no one in the world who is described as an expert who is always right. Trumpism lives on though