[Politics] Brexit

[ManOfSussex]

I thought they needed us more than we need them and we're the ones calling the shots - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42426542

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I thought the people had already decided otherwise

You're probably right - the research suggests that, as you say, people have already decided otherwise. For the sake of protocol though it would be best to have an election or even a further referendum to confirm the point.

 

[nicko31]

I thought they needed us more than we need them and we're the ones calling the shots - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42426542

Its becoming more of an instruction than a negotiation. We're 6% of their business, they are 43% of ours, inevitable really

 

[Ernest]

I thought they needed us more than we need them and we're the ones calling the shots - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42426542

We will have free trade deals with the rest of the world by then according to disgraced former defence minister Liam Fox

#easiesttradedealever

 

[Bob!]

So, the countdown needs changing to December 31st 2020 then

 

[The Clamp]

Bit late to the party, you just turn up that little bit late when backing up a mate, its a character trait that I suspect fits you well.

Take it from someone with a bit of life experience, son. You do too much talking and not enough listening.

As for "backing up a mate", Herr T need no help or back up. He owns you on a postly basis. Which, to be fair, isn't that hard as you are hands down in the top 5 utter cockwits on this board. How you make it through from day to day is a mystery.

Now, remember old thing, a little less of the chat, a little more of the listening. Good lad.

 

[BigGully]

Take it from someone with a bit of life experience, son. You do too much talking and not enough listening.

As for "backing up a mate", Herr T need no help or back up. He owns you on a postly basis. Which, to be fair, isn't that hard as you are hands down in the top 5 utter cockwits on this board. How you make it through from day to day is a mystery.

Now, remember old thing, a little less of the chat, a little more of the listening. Good lad.

Mr 'Adapt and Flourish', I assume you are one of the top 4 ??

 

[The Clamp]

Mr 'Adapt and Flourish', I assume you are one of the top 4 ??

i'm No.1, and don't you forget it, flowerpot. No. ****ing 1. Weeeeyo.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

no need to pay cover our financial obligations, no need to worry about the good Friday agreement, no need to worry about financial services that contributes 18% of our GDP, no need to worry about those wings at airbus, the million or so jobs around automotive manufacturing, EURATOM.... We're leaving, we out, we're free.

I wonder if we dig out the thread that covered the referendum how many of these items you raised as reasons to vote remain ? I'd suggest a big fat zero.

 

[Dorset Seagull]

You're probably right - the research suggests that, as you say, people have already decided otherwise. For the sake of protocol though it would be best to have an election or even a further referendum to confirm the point.

That's all very well but where do you stop then? In 2 months we have another vote as new evidence has come to light, and then again 2 months after that etc. Surely the only time you can realistically have another vote is after we have left, as per the original vote, and then had time to see the effects of that. Its all very well all these commentators and experts telling us what the future holds but the reality is nobody really knows until it happens.

 

[The Clamp]

I wonder if we dig out the thread that covered the referendum how many of these items you raised as reasons to vote remain ? I'd suggest a big fat zero.

That is exactky the point. The sane 48% knew there'd be problems, big problems but NOBODY could predict what an utter omnishambles this would be and how many levels this will **** us on.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

That is exactky the point. The sane 48% knew there'd be problems, big problems but NOBODY could predict what an utter omnishambles this would be and how many levels this will **** us on.

The so called 'sane' 48% did an utterly ****wit job of selling staying in the EU so they can hardly be accused of being sane.

 

[The Clamp]

The so called 'sane' 48% did an utterly ****wit job of selling staying in the EU so they can hardly be accused of being sane.

It wasn't the 48%'s job to sell it. It was the laughably poor remain campaign. It's not that the 48% weren't sane, it's that 52% of the country were so insane!

 

[pb21]

That's all very well but where do you stop then? In 2 months we have another vote as new evidence has come to light, and then again 2 months after that etc. Surely the only time you can realistically have another vote is after we have left, as per the original vote, and then had time to see the effects of that. Its all very well all these commentators and experts telling us what the future holds but the reality is nobody really knows until it happens.

I do get what you are saying. But at the same time if it was becoming increasingly clear that Brexit would have significant negative impacts, with negative impacts already occurring and with more and more foreseeable with increasing certainty, such that there was an undeniable ‘mood’ for Brexit to cease, it would be completely stupid to continue with the process, just because on one day 2.5 years prior a slim majority of voters thought it was a good idea at the time.

 

[nicko31]

I wonder if we dig out the thread that covered the referendum how many of these items you raised as reasons to vote remain ? I'd suggest a big fat zero.

I decided to remain as I took the view that the risk reward did not add up. Risk of UK geopoltical issues, long term economic impact, the consequences on public services and how it will hit those with least the hardest.

 

[nicko31]

First the pesky Irish, now the bloody Spanish playing games,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5197849/Spain-drags-Gibraltar-Brexit-row.html

I love the DM's comments section, its comedy gold

 

[Dorset Seagull]

I do get what you are saying. But at the same time if it was becoming increasingly clear that Brexit would have significant negative impacts, with negative impacts already occurring and with more and more foreseeable with increasing certainty, such that there was an undeniable ‘mood’ for Brexit to cease, it would be completely stupid to continue with the process, just because on one day 2.5 years prior a slim majority of voters thought it was a good idea at the time.

Fair point but I think many of us expected a lot of pain in order to reach the end game.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

That's all very well but where do you stop then? In 2 months we have another vote as new evidence has come to light, and then again 2 months after that etc. Surely the only time you can realistically have another vote is after we have left, as per the original vote, and then had time to see the effects of that. Its all very well all these commentators and experts telling us what the future holds but the reality is nobody really knows until it happens.

Hold on, I was agreeing with your suggestion that the people, faced with the prospect of leaving the EU, have already decided otherwise. That's what you said, and I think you are right.

The suggestion above that the people should not be given the opportunity to consider whether we are right to leave the EU until after we have left has been made often by a couple of posters, presumably on the basis that it would be vastly harder and more expensive to rejoin than to simply continue our membership.

It is not a good reason. If there was a further referendum the debate would centre on the implications - bad or good - of leaving, which will be far far clearer by the middle of next year than they were 18 months ago. If the public decided that they didn't after all want to be hit on the head with a sand-filled sock it seems unreasonable to wait until they are hit on the head with a sand-filled sock before asking them.

 

[Dorset Seagull]

Hold on, I was agreeing with your suggestion that the people, faced with the prospect of leaving the EU, have already decided otherwise. That's what you said, and I think you are right.

The suggestion above that the people should not be given the opportunity to consider whether we are right to leave the EU until after we have left has been made often by a couple of posters, presumably on the basis that it would be vastly harder and more expensive to rejoin than to simply continue our membership.

It is not a good reason. If there was a further referendum the debate would centre on the implications - bad or good - of leaving, which will be far far clearer by the middle of next year than they were 18 months ago. If the public decided that they didn't after all want to be hit on the head with a sand-filled sock it seems unreasonable to wait until they are hit on the head with a sand-filled sock before asking them.

That wasn't my point but I guess there has been some confusion. Ultimately I understand your position that there should be a vote on the final deal. However the final deal does not represent the eventual outcome of Brexit which will not be known for some time after we have left the EU.

 

[BigGully]

I do get what you are saying. But at the same time if it was becoming increasingly clear that Brexit would have significant negative impacts, with negative impacts already occurring and with more and more foreseeable with increasing certainty, such that there was an undeniable ‘mood’ for Brexit to cease, it would be completely stupid to continue with the process, just because on one day 2.5 years prior a slim majority of voters thought it was a good idea at the time.

Interestingly you didn't feel the need to identify political 'mood swings' or some future economic disaster the day after the referendum result, you were already on discredit mode even then, it's clear irrespective of its validity you yearn for the referendum result to be overturned and exclusively reflect your own views.

That's not quite how it works.