[Politics] Brexit

[The Clamp]

Hanging out with a 10 year old Jimi Hendrix were you?

 

[Eeyore]

Because the only model that works for not having a border for Northern Ireland would involve being in the single market, even then there would be stops and checks if we are not also in the customs union. This problem has not been resolved, it has been pushed off into the distance with a promise that if there is no deal, we will remain so close to EU customs and single market regulations as to make smuggling pointless. I rather think M. Barnier is doing his best to not let it show they have just successfully castrated Brexit.

This.

'In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the internal market and the customs union which, now or in the future, support North-South co-operation, the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.'

Looks like the Irish have successfully derailed an even slightly firm BREXIT. Even BREXIT itself.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

This.

'In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the internal market and the customs union which, now or in the future, support North-South co-operation, the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.'

Looks like the Irish have successfully derailed an even slightly firm BREXIT. Even BREXIT itself.

Wrong. The term 'alignment' is not recognised in EU law, it's a fudge designed to move us on to the second phase which is the only way to come to an agreed NI/ Republic border solution.

 

[beorhthelm]

Because the only model that works for not having a border for Northern Ireland would involve being in the single market, even then there would be stops and checks if we are not also in the customs union. This problem has not been resolved, it has been pushed off into the distance with a promise that if there is no deal, we will remain so close to EU customs and single market regulations as to make smuggling pointless. I rather think M. Barnier is doing his best to not let it show they have just successfully castrated Brexit.

what your suggesting is to protect Ireland and Northern Ireland, we stay close to single market and customs union, but not in the customs union. we'll be free to open our own trade with other countries. for some that would be sufficiently well baked outcome.

 

[Eeyore]

Wrong. The term 'alignment' is not recognised in EU law, it's a fudge designed to move us on to the second phase which is the only way to come to an agreed NI/ Republic border solution.

An 'all-Island' economy can only mean one thing. No border, no restrictions. Question is: How is that implemented and how does it affect the rest of the UK ?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

An 'all-Island' economy can only mean one thing. No border, no restrictions. Question is: How is that implemented and how does it affect the rest of the UK ?

How we avoid a 'hard' border but maintain the integrity of the UK is indeed a difficult problem which was only ever likely to be resolved once we knew what our future trade relationship would be .... watch this space.

 

[GT49er]

An 'all-Island' economy can only mean one thing. No border, no restrictions. Question is: How is that implemented and how does it affect the rest of the UK ?

Reality? We turn a blind eye. The EU turn a blind eye.......and the Irish just carry on doing whatever they want regardless. No change there, then..........

 

[Berty23]

Papers are interesting for Sunday.

One saying that major economies have told the EU they don't expect the U.K. To get a better deal than them.

One saying that the understanding of alignment is very different between uk view and Ireland view.

Interesting few days ahead.

 

[WATFORD zero]

BREXIT Good News !

Need some good news after yesterday.

I now believe that following the agreement of having no border between the EU and Britain, and Britain agreeing to stay in line with all EU rules and legislation, that the EU will agree a trade deal with us.

I can't believe all the accusations of moaning that are aimed at Remainers

 

[Ernest]

Brexit in the end is nothing more than us paying a load of money to the EU in return for a lot worse a deal than we have now and worse than what Cameron negotiated

 

[WATFORD zero]

Brexit in the end is nothing more than us paying a load of money to the EU in return for a lot worse a deal than we have now and worse than what Cameron negotiated

And no control over our borders or laws, but let's stay positive

We're OUT

 

[GT49er]

And no control over our borders or laws, but let's stay positive.

Well, you sure as hell won't be.

 

[ManOfSussex]

David Davis said this morning this agreement isn't binding, but The Irish Government Chief Whip has just told RTE Radio it is in the eyes of the Irish Government.

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[WATFORD zero]

I don't believe that the agreement is binding.

However, diverge on any single element or law (which we now won't have input into, let alone get out options) and we are back to last Thursday and the choice of where to put the hard border.

Of course the EU are now going to start the next round of negotiations on that basis and ensure we can't backtrack.

If A=B and B=C then A=C. It's not hard to understand.

Finish on a positive - We're OUT

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Pleasing to see the Labour Party have finally broken cover and settled on a policy* ... Become a 'Vassell state' of the EU

https://order-order.com/2017/12/10/...d-referendum-payments-easy-not-free-movement/






*Usual conditions apply, Policy subject to change at a moments notice depending on which Shadow Minister you talk to.

 

[ManOfSussex]

JC Tory Genius posting up links to the Guido Fawkes blog site in obsession about the Labour Party - Must be a bad news day.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Pleasing to see the Labour Party have finally broken cover and settled on a policy* ... Become a 'Vassell state' of the EU

https://order-order.com/2017/12/10/...d-referendum-payments-easy-not-free-movement/





*Usual conditions apply, Policy subject to change at a moments notice depending on which Shadow Minister you talk to.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I don't believe that the agreement is binding.

However, diverge on any single element or law (which we now won't have input into, let alone get out options) and we are back to last Thursday and the choice of where to put the hard border.

Of course the EU are now going to start the next round of negotiations on that basis and ensure we can't backtrack.

If A=B and B=C then A=C. It's not hard to understand.

Finish on a positive - We're OUT

Peter Bone seemed quite chipper on Sky News earlier, so I think WTO and a hard border is very much on. Just a question of where that border goes, but I doubt he's too bothered.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Important to keep Labour Brexiteer voters updated on the betrayal* especially as our Corbynista contingent believe an election is probably just around the corner and Labour will definitely win.




* as defined by the Shadow Chancellor

 

[WATFORD zero]

Important to keep Labour Brexiteer voters updated on the betrayal* especially as our Corbynista contingent believe an election is probably just around the corner and Labour will definitely win.




* as defined by the Shadow Chancellor

Why do you keep trying to change the subject? WTF does this have to do with BREXIT?

(You obviously don't realise but people of all political persuasions voted for and against )