[Politics] Brexit

[GT49er]

How widespread has the problem of the ECJ stopping us expelling Abu Hamzas actually been?

One was more than enough. He certainly wasn't the only one. I don't have the numbers, and neither, I suspect, do you.

 

[Two Professors]

This is ace. Interesting that we celebrate the new EU trade agreement. https://twitter.com/tradegovuk/status/909842997432475653

Well of course we are going to celebrate CETA.It is the basis of our trade deal with Canada when we get out,as agreed by May and Trudeau.Saved us loads of time.So it really is ace,isn't it?

 

[Brighton Mod]

Whilst all the journo's get into a lather about Boris and the pundits pass their opinion, no doubt the article by Boris will have put pressure on May to deliver a worthwhile brexit speech and not some wishey washy, transition period fudge to the Europeans. It may well also have been part of a scheme for her to be seen to be pushed to this, any comments from david Davies and Liam Fox?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

One was more than enough. He certainly wasn't the only one. I don't have the numbers, and neither, I suspect, do you.

I certainly don't have the numbers, which was why I asked someone who suggested it was a widespread problem.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Well of course we are going to celebrate CETA.It is the basis of our trade deal with Canada when we get out,as agreed by May and Trudeau.Saved us loads of time.So it really is ace,isn't it?

You trust the bumbling political fools in this country to take advantage of this? Ha, I hope so but little evidence they look beyond their nose ATM

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Well of course we are going to celebrate CETA.It is the basis of our trade deal with Canada when we get out,as agreed by May and Trudeau.Saved us loads of time.So it really is ace,isn't it?

Yep, knocking off an agreement with Canada should be the second easiest trade deal in human history. If we can sign 'em up a few days after leaving the EU then UK-Canada trade might even continue at levels no worse than they would have done anyway. It's another triumph for Dr Fox.

 

[GT49er]

I certainly don't have the numbers, which was why I asked someone who suggested it was a widespread problem.

Fair point. Nobody knows exactly, including the government. Do you want the pro-leave figures on the subject, or the pro-remainers figures? However, there can't be much serious argument with, 'a lot', and 'too many' - the weight of circumstantial evidence is pretty convincing, even, albeit reluctantly I guess, to fair-minded remainers.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yep, knocking off an agreement with Canada should be the second easiest trade deal in human history. If we can sign 'em up a few days after leaving the EU then UK-Canada trade might even continue at levels no worse than they would have done anyway. It's another triumph for Dr Fox.

you don't want to do it like that , you want to do it like this
regards
DR

 

[Berty23]

Oh dear. Did anyone seriously think this wouldn't be the outcome? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/44934...end-up-with-theresa-may-being-humiliated/amp/

But they need us more than we need them....

 

[ManOfSussex]

Oh dear. Did anyone seriously think this wouldn't be the outcome? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/44934...end-up-with-theresa-may-being-humiliated/amp/

But they need us more than we need them....

Yanis Varoufakis, in written and broadcast interviews, called it all back in the spring. His knowledge and loathing of The EU is greater than most. Never mind.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/the-six-brexit-traps-that-will-defeat-theresa-may

 

[beorhthelm]

Oh dear. Did anyone seriously think this wouldn't be the outcome? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/44934...end-up-with-theresa-may-being-humiliated/amp/

But they need us more than we need them....

i did think the outcome would be otherwise. i couldnt envisage that the EU would deliberatly damage their own just to make a political point, while also indirectly harming their own objective (so they would just abandon the 48% voting for? ). seem their opening negotiation position wasnt just a position but actual policy objective. so called that wrong, and they just shown why we must leave, otherwise be steam rollered into accepting Euro, centralised EU finance policy, foreign policy, army, and other institutions of state. shame as they could have negotiated a clever compromise.

as it stands they will still eventually compromise on many areas (because otherwise the pain on own industries and commerce will be too great) but it will be an ugly looking one born of bitterness rather than mutual collaboration.

 

[Jim D]

Yanis Varoufakis, in written and broadcast interviews, called it all back in the spring. His knowledge and loathing of The EU is greater than most. Never mind.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/the-six-brexit-traps-that-will-defeat-theresa-may

OK, so it's 'no deal' then.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Yanis Varoufakis, in written and broadcast interviews, called it all back in the spring. His knowledge and loathing of The EU is greater than most. Never mind.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/the-six-brexit-traps-that-will-defeat-theresa-may

..no voters in any country can empower their government to oppose Brussels.

There is a long EU tradition of neglecting democratic mandates in the name of respecting them..
For all their concerns with rules, treaties, processes, competitiveness, freedom of movement, terrorism etc, only one prospect truly terrifies the EU’s deep establishment: democracy.

Indeed. #takebackcontrol

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

So, the Maybot is off to Florence this week to unveil definitive plans for Brexit. She's not in the least worried about Florence - but is a bit concerned that Dougal and Zebedee might cast their veto.........I'm here all week.

 

[ManOfSussex]

OK, so it's 'no deal' then.

Which means no transitional deal then. Just the 35 regulatory bodies to set up and be running to replace those pan-EU ones in 18 months, customs infrastructures not in place, passporting rights and financial services in a legal grey area, Irish border and citizens rights not resolved and everyone's favourite chestnut - aviation - obviously despite leaving the open skies agreement, everything will carry on as before without a deal and flights won't be grounded - to name but a few.

The Commons Select Committee referred to 'no deal' as mutually assured destruction.

The EU v The Eurosceptic rump of The Conservative and Unionist Party - in hindsight you've got more chance of 2 scorpions in a jam jar coming to a sensible mutual arrangement.

 

[ManOfSussex]

..no voters in any country can empower their government to oppose Brussels.

There is a long EU tradition of neglecting democratic mandates in the name of respecting them..
For all their concerns with rules, treaties, processes, competitiveness, freedom of movement, terrorism etc, only one prospect truly terrifies the EU’s deep establishment: democracy.

Indeed. #takebackcontrol

I knew Varoufakis would get you excited.

 

[Berty23]

i did think the outcome would be otherwise. i couldnt envisage that the EU would deliberatly damage their own just to make a political point, while also indirectly harming their own objective (so they would just abandon the 48% voting for? ). seem their opening negotiation position wasnt just a position but actual policy objective. so called that wrong, and they just shown why we must leave, otherwise be steam rollered into accepting Euro, centralised EU finance policy, foreign policy, army, and other institutions of state. shame as they could have negotiated a clever compromise.

as it stands they will still eventually compromise on many areas (because otherwise the pain on own industries and commerce will be too great) but it will be an ugly looking one born of bitterness rather than mutual collaboration.

Which is exactly how the leaving press will portray this. They will completely overlook the fact that this was always going to happen and why many wanted to remain because we will be hit very hard. The irony will be those who say "that is why we need to take back control" will also be people who insist that Scotland should remain part of Britain even though many of them want sovereignty. It appears people have different definitions of what should be sovereign.

People will overlook the fact that leavers said

1) we will have a stronger economy
2) they need us more than we need them

So now it will be all about escaping the tyrants. Maybe this is like a divorce after all. I wonder what proportion of divorces end with both parties a) wanting what is best for the other and b) being more wealthy.

I suspect Boris is after the sack so he can distance himself from this car crash.

 

[CHAPPERS]

IFS’s deputy director Carl Emmerson

The Office for Budget Responsibility forecasts the outlook for the UK economy and the public finances; these forecasts have been adopted by the chancellor as the government’s own. They contain an allowance of almost £250m per week — not £350m — for funding that could in principle go to the NHS rather than the EU. But this would involve no state support for any other activities, such as subsidies for agriculture, that are at present funded in the UK by the EU.

The bigger picture is that the forecast health of the public finances was downgraded by £15bn per year — or almost £300m per week — as a direct result of the Brexit vote. Not only will we not regain control of £350m weekly as a result of Brexit, we are likely to make a net fiscal loss from it. Those are the numbers and forecasts which the government has adopted. It is perhaps surprising that members of the government are suggesting rather different figures.

 

[Hampster Gull]

IFS’s deputy director Carl Emmerson

Ouch. The truth was always going to out

 

[beorhthelm]

Which is exactly how the leaving press will portray this. They will completely overlook the fact that this was always going to happen and why many wanted to remain because we will be hit very hard.

we should remain because the EU is nasty and wont play nice is hardly a positive position to sell the EU. and in part why many are against the EU in the first place. the EU just cant envision a two tier Europe, free trade and free movement for some, political integration for others. maybe because they fear most populations in Europe will want the former without the second, against the aims and objectives of EU architects.