[Politics] Brexit

[beorhthelm]

double post

 

[studio150]

So in a year the UK has gone from having the strongest growth among G7 economies to having the weakest.

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[Mental Lental]

So in a year the UK has gone from having the strongest growth among G7 economies to having the weakest.

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6 months before Brexit........

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...my-as-France-and-Italy-face-G8-exclusion.html

http://www.cityam.com/231501/world-...japan-to-become-worlds-fourth-biggest-economy

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...d-Western-Europe-Angela-Merkel-George-Osborne

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Youth unemployment running at 40% in italy. 85,0000 people apply for just 30 banking jobs, that is the future right there. Not enough jobs for the existing population, at the same time as hundreds of thousands of refugees, economic migrants arrive in the EU every year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...y-just-30-bank-jobs-economy-remains-doldrums/

 

[nicko31]

So in a year the UK has gone from having the strongest growth among G7 economies to having the weakest.

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Its all the remainers fault for talking the economy down, you heard it here first.

 

[nicko31]

Youth unemployment running at 40% in italy. 85,0000 people apply for just 30 banking jobs, that is the future right there. Not enough jobs for the existing population, at the same time as hundreds of thousands of refugees, economic migrants arrive in the EU every year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...y-just-30-bank-jobs-economy-remains-doldrums/

Pop on an extra zero, it sounds better. All because of EU membership of course

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Ah here we go ... all positive economic data after referendum vote was dismissed/ignored because we haven't left yet all bad economic data is because of Brexit.

 

[Baldseagull]

i find Clegg a pretty resonable politican, so i dont know if here he's being disingenous or outright dishonest, as he should know better. two main points he fails to observe, first is that the UK doesnt have the sort of rules and systems in place to administer "residency" so as according to EU w have to apply the law to EU citizens as we do nationals, we end up with a more open door. secondly, it is the EU that made the stipulation that you cant pick and chose, you cant have single market without freedom of movement.



this more anacdotal evidence that Brussels didnt take us seriously, why they gave such scant deal to Cameron that he tried to dress up as best he could. however this is why you have "hard brexit", not because of an intention or desire to leave without a deal, but to put down the marker that is an option and to take the negotiations seriously. and this goes back to the hardline the EU has taken too, why would May ask the EU for something politically difficult at home, which was dismissed in Feburary, when they've been saying for months theres no a la carte option? the referendum wasnt mandate to renegotiate EU, it was mandate to leave EU, because thats their rules.


i believe the single market and freedom of movement can probably be squared as long as EU give the government something to sell the public. most the liberal conservatives (that seem to be the vocal players in this) can live with single market for cross border trade, dont really care about freedom of movement, thats the 'kippers battle really (and 10-15% of the population), but you cant just go back to the public and say its ok we'll stay in the EU, with EU approved quotas, and ignore the customs union, ECJ legal authority. those two issues are the issues for them, because they are genuine philosophical objections of the control over our nation, built upon trade and our own indepedent legal system. something allowing some bilateral trade agreements and restriction of scope of ECJ would be saleable to most europsceptics, however its not on offer from the EU because it means the end of the line for the European Project, unless they redesign the project and accept a two tier EU.

I don't think most people are as bothered as you think they are by the ECJ and the customs union, I think most of us recognise some benefits.
As long as Farage is not screaming about how many EU laws we have to adopt, whilst failing to mention most of them improve your safety or ensure the quality of goods you buy, most people are not feeling oppressed by the EU.

 

[Baldseagull]

Ah here we go ... all positive economic data after referendum vote was dismissed/ignored because we haven't left yet all bad economic data is because of Brexit.

The "good" data is sometimes due to Brexit too, we have had a bit of a boost for exports due to the pathetic level of the pound. We are a cheaper place for tourists to visit and spend their cash. It is just getting expensive for people who want to live and work here, and unless we turn back, it will get worse, you know it, you claimed Britain was willing to go through it to get to the sunny uplands. Well now we will find out, my money is on an about turn before we reach the exit date, and we remain in the EU, and it will not cause riots in the streets, it will cause relief.

 

[5ways]

Inside govt Brexit going great. Jeremy Hunt paper: "Hard Brexit Means People Fleeing UK"

 

[Two Professors]

So in a year the UK has gone from having the strongest growth among G7 economies to having the weakest.

Whoops

And Venezuela's GDP has gone to -7.4% over the last 3 months,which is what we could look forward to under Corbin!Figures go up and down over the short term.They might mean something,but in reality,only losers jump gleefully on bad news.

 

[Two Professors]

Pop on an extra zero, it sounds better. All because of EU membership of course

So are you trying to tell us that youth unemployment in Italy is only 4%,not 40%.Wonder how our youth unemployment figures compare?

 

[nicko31]

Inside govt Brexit going great. Jeremy Hunt paper: "Hard Brexit Means People Fleeing UK"

No it isn't a spoof, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...unt-gaffes-exposing-notes-Downing-Street.html

FFS, I'm in my 5th decade and we've had some bad governments, but this Tory was has to be worse of the lot

 

[Spicy]

No it isn't a spoof, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...unt-gaffes-exposing-notes-Downing-Street.html

FFS, I'm in my 5th decade and we've had some bad governments, but this Tory was has to be worse of the lot

What an absolute idiot! I cannot say I have any sympathy for him as I was on a course recently with people from Department of Health and what they were saying about him suggests he deserves all the criticism he is going to get for this gaffe.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

No it isn't a spoof, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...unt-gaffes-exposing-notes-Downing-Street.html

FFS, I'm in my 5th decade and we've had some bad governments, but this Tory was has to be worse of the lot

Things like this are not an accident - Hunt voted to stay in - a reminder that any issue's are not his fault....

 

[studio150]

And Venezuela's GDP has gone to -7.4% over the last 3 months,which is what we could look forward to under Corbin!Figures go up and down over the short term.They might mean something,but in reality,only losers jump gleefully on bad news.

So short term exits until we are in the land of milk and honey, and someone in denial of the evidence dismisses figures over a full year.

 

[nicko31]

Things like this are not an accident - Hunt voted to stay in - a reminder that any issue's are not his fault....

You know what, I think you might have a point. The Tory party are literally at war over Brexit

 

[Two Professors]

See Junker is on total meltdown in the European parliament.Only 30 MEP's turned up for today's debate,and he has called it a waste of his time.Surprisingly,he looks sober.

 

[Two Professors]

You know what, I think you might have a point. The Tory party are literally at war over Brexit

So are Labour

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

You know what, I think you might have a point. The Tory party are literally at war over Brexit

How often do we see stuff like this happen?

Never... yet there has been a couple of incidents like this