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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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drew

drew

Drew
NSC Patron
Oct 3, 2006
23,632
Burgess Hill
Two Professors said:
Well,must apologise for that.Perhaps my brother-in-laws french is not as good as he thinks!He mentioned it had been on French TV when I called to arrange our next visit,but I couldn't see anything myself.Fake News!!!!!
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Two Professors said:
Perhaps they should do what normal people do,and consult the local authorities on their future status.They wouldn't be so worried then,and you could spare us yet more rubbish!:thumbsup:
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Two Professors said:
What on earth has that got to do with anything?
You might just have well said that as you hate anything British,you will only obey EU laws from now on.
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Two Professors said:
:laugh::lolol: Where did you read that?Socialist Worker:)lolol:) Weekly?Are the planes still taking off?I still have some holidays to take,and the ferries are so slow!:lolol:
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Two Professors said:
God,I am really surprised you haven't broken the strings on that harp.Do you only know one tune?
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Have you ever tried the multi quote facility?
 




drew

drew

Drew
NSC Patron
Oct 3, 2006
23,632
Burgess Hill
JC Footy Genius said:
Giving DUP homophobes minor influence on the UK government (cost £1Bn) = outrageous ... letting a German homophobe have a far greater influence on how this country is run via the EU (cost £8-10Bn every year) completely OK?

Well done to Deutschland for finally catching up with the UK though.
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Surely if you're going to make reference to the financial cost of membership you should also make reference to the financial benefit of membership?
 












ManOfSussex

ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,177
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
Two Professors said:
Perhaps they should do what normal people do,and consult the local authorities on their future status.They wouldn't be so worried then,and you could spare us yet more rubbish!:thumbsup:
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Next time you're drunk and spouting, patriotic little England drivel, we can touch base and we can talk crap together, perhaps have a coffee? I like dumbing it down when I'm drunk with idiots, so I'm sure we can find a groove. :thumbsup:
 


JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
drew said:
Surely if you're going to make reference to the financial cost of membership you should also make reference to the financial benefit of membership?
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I will .. if you provide me with the financial benefit figure (minus costs of regulations and membership) from an independent reliable source.
 






























L

Lincoln Imp

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2009
5,964
JC Footy Genius said:
Not true, May and Davis were delighted with the 2015 election result as were most other Tories because the more likely outcome seemed to be yet another hung parliament. I even remember some people saying one of the reasons Cameron offered a referendum was in the knowledge it would be dropped in any coalition deal. They called a new election because they thought it was a virtual certainity they would increase their majority (didn't we all). Any suggestion they called it seeking to reverse or undermine the previous result (your position on the referendum) is quite frankly ridiculous. There is no equivilency.

I would agree a big shift in public opinion would increase the calls by the usual suspects for another referendum. But even a shift in public opinion doesn't mean support for another referendum would be popular. May won't offer one, she can't as she is too weak. Any new Tory Leader won't/can't offer one because it will lead to immediate civil war in the party ending the government. I can't see Corbyn calling for one as he has just sacked numerous frontbenchers for saying we should stay in the single market let alone suggesting we should have another referendum. Plus of course there is the golden rule of referendums .. you should only call one if you know what answer you are going to get.
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I don't think your view is ridiculous, but I do disagree with it.

The Conservatives were happy enough with the 2015 election result at the time but after the referendum, as May pushed for a Brexit at the harder end of the spectrum and the Enemies of the People stopped her plans to bypass the House of Commons, it became clear to her that the majority given to her by the people was not really adequate. Encouraged by Davis, she decided not to wait for the end of the five year term. She went back to the people in the hope that they would give her the sort of majority she needed to push her agenda through. And there lies my claim of equivalence.

I agree with you that another referendum would not be popular with Brexiteers even if there was a shift in public opinion. I'd go further: it would not be popular with May and the Brexiteers especially if there was a shift in public opinion. This week's events suggest that it wouldn't be popular with Corbyn either, although there might be pressures on him from within his party if the talks faltered and the shift was pronounced. I don't know. In these febrile times, I guess no one does.
 




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