[Politics] Brexit

[Soulman]

Just back from Forest, my mistake I believe it was Pink Fairy that stated any cost is worthwhile.

Although your vote given that the post Brexit deal was(is) unknown is effectively a statement that you are prepared to accept the final deal to leave (regardless of what it is)

Yeah, whatever you say...As i stated before, you get things in your head and think others have said them....or imagine they have said them.

 

[cunning fergus]

...but surely you have said that you are against British workers having the freedom to choose where they work in the UK? I don't think they would see that as being in their interests.

I am certain I have not.

Seizing back country control of the UK's labour market is an essential factor to improving British workers interests. Those that wish to do this are not advocates of a radical policy, on the contrary we are merely seeking to align the UK with the wider international norm.

If any of the UK political parties want to throw open the UK's borders again to allow mass migration, then they can do so if such a policy is supported by the UK electorate.

As it should be.........

 

[cunning fergus]

I did. I was there for about five years. I only missed one game through flight delays in that time which was pretty remarkable.

You have my sincere respect.

As I recall the club used to get fans out on the pitch pre game as a gesture for loyalty to the club, your commitment deserves some recognition if it was not forthcoming.

Even so, you would have to agree you are something of an outlier, the vast majority of mortal fans would not consider residing in Ibiza (or Germany) to be the same as (say) Burgess Hill in terms of ease in being able to go to the Albion.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You have my sincere respect.

As I recall the club used to get fans out on the pitch pre game as a gesture for loyalty to the club, your commitment deserves some recognition if it was not forthcoming.

Even so, you would have to agree you are something of an outlier, the vast majority of mortal fans would not consider residing in Ibiza (or Germany) to be the same as (say) Burgess Hill in terms of ease in being able to go to the Albion.

Plane and taxi or a Southern train.....I think most know which is easier

 

[studio150]

Idea for a bus. "Let's spend £60bn trashing our reputation, destroying the Union, cutting trade with our neighbours and celebrating racism".

Quote from Jolyon Maugham QC


Let's see if Philip Hammond follows this advice with his fighting fund for Brexit costs

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Idea for a bus. "Let's spend £60bn trashing our reputation, destroying the Union, cutting trade with our neighbours and celebrating racism".

Quote from Jolyon Maugham QC


Let's see if Philip Hammond follows this advice with his fighting fund for Brexit costs

It will be interesting to see how he plans to train, employ and maintain the various boards and bodies which the UK, has in effect, outsourced to the EU. I'm going to keep an eye on this one.

 

[cunning fergus]

Idea for a bus. "Let's spend £60bn trashing our reputation, destroying the Union, cutting trade with our neighbours and celebrating racism".

Quote from Jolyon Maugham QC


Let's see if Philip Hammond follows this advice with his fighting fund for Brexit costs

This is the QC that crowd funded the "people's challenge" to Brexit and who wears his description by fellow QCs' as the biggest c*** on the circuit as a badge of pride.

A multi millionaire son of an Etonian who lives in a million pound windmill and was a policy adviser to Ed Miliband.

Sounds like a right c***.

 

[portslade seagull]

This is the QC that crowd funded the "people's challenge" to Brexit and who wears his description by fellow QCs' as the biggest c*** on the circuit as a badge of pride.

A multi millionaire son of an Etonian who lives in a million pound windmill and was a policy adviser to Ed Miliband.

Sounds like a right c***.

A typical hooray Charlie. Remain are welcome to him

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

A typical hooray Charlie. Remain are welcome to him

Agree. He's a right Big Time Henry!

 

[cunning fergus]

A typical hooray Charlie. Remain are welcome to him

Put another way.........an enemy of the people.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I am certain I have not.

Seizing back country control of the UK's labour market is an essential factor to improving British workers interests. Those that wish to do this are not advocates of a radical policy, on the contrary we are merely seeking to align the UK with the wider international norm.

If any of the UK political parties want to throw open the UK's borders again to allow mass migration, then they can do so if such a policy is supported by the UK electorate.

As it should be.........

It would seem like stalking to trawl back through this vast thread but I feel sure that there was an exchange between us in which I ask you why you were against FoM across Europe but not, presumably, within individual countries. Was it, I asked, because Europe was bigger? You responded to say that, to the contrary, you were also against it within countries because it made the planning of services (education, housing, etc) so difficult and that working people were the first to suffer as a result.

It sticks in my mind because I later thought it was Pastifarian who made this point and had to check back. Apologies if I am mistaken.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Agree. He's a right Big Time Henry!

It's all in the delivery ..... provided me yet another laugh-thanks....

 

[Baldseagull]

It would seem like stalking to trawl back through this vast thread but I feel sure that there was an exchange between us in which I ask you why you were against FoM across Europe but not, presumably, within individual countries. Was it, I asked, because Europe was bigger? You responded to say that, to the contrary, you were also against it within countries because it made the planning of services (education, housing, etc) so difficult and that working people were the first to suffer as a result.

It sticks in my mind because I later thought it was Pastifarian who made this point and had to check back. Apologies if I am mistaken.

I believe you are correct.

 

[cunning fergus]

It would seem like stalking to trawl back through this vast thread but I feel sure that there was an exchange between us in which I ask you why you were against FoM across Europe but not, presumably, within individual countries. Was it, I asked, because Europe was bigger? You responded to say that, to the contrary, you were also against it within countries because it made the planning of services (education, housing, etc) so difficult and that working people were the first to suffer as a result.

It sticks in my mind because I later thought it was Pastifarian who made this point and had to check back. Apologies if I am mistaken.

Feel free to stalk away. Notwithstanding this thread my form on this board in terms of the EU and its policies is long standing, and I have never held a view that freedom of movement should be restricted within the UK.

By being in the EU the UK has no control on its labour market, and therefore the Government (of whatever flavour) is unable to effectively manage supply and demand. This already has caused damaging consequences for the working class in this country from lower wages to more competition for work, schools for their kids, etc.

I have never advocated anything more than the same levels of control that the vast majority of other countries have on their own labour supply. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[cunning fergus]

I believe you are correct.

I see you are espousing your beliefs again........we need to move away from your superstitions and deal with the facts.

I am pretty sure anyone on here advocating internal restrictions on UK citizens to move around the country to work would have been on the end of some vociferous comments from leavers and remainers alike.

I get plenty of vociferous comments but not for this, and that is because I have never advocated it.........FACT.

 

[The Rivet]

Idea for a bus. "Let's spend £60bn trashing our reputation, destroying the Union, cutting trade with our neighbours and celebrating racism".

Quote from Jolyon Maugham QC


Let's see if Philip Hammond follows this advice with his fighting fund for Brexit costs

I have been wondering how those that loathe the Brexit result feel, that some of their hard earned paid taxes are going to be used to leave. I'd be furious but then again I voted leave and I am happy.

 

[Baldseagull]

I have been wondering how those that loathe the Brexit result feel, that some of their hard earned paid taxes are going to be used to leave. I'd be furious but then again I voted leave and I am happy.

Eventually reality will hit.

 

[The Rivet]

Eventually reality will hit.

It did, years ago. Others are yet to see the light or become adults.

 

[5ways]

Feel free to stalk away. Notwithstanding this thread my form on this board in terms of the EU and its policies is long standing, and I have never held a view that freedom of movement should be restricted within the UK.

By being in the EU the UK has no control on its labour market, and therefore the Government (of whatever flavour) is unable to effectively manage supply and demand. This already has caused damaging consequences for the working class in this country from lower wages to more competition for work, schools for their kids, etc.

I have never advocated anything more than the same levels of control that the vast majority of other countries have on their own labour supply. Nothing more nothing less.

EU membership has not suppressed wages.

Free movement generates economic growth which creates jobs for the working class.

 

[Baldseagull]

I see you are espousing your beliefs again........we need to move away from your superstitions and deal with the facts.

I am pretty sure anyone on here advocating internal restrictions on UK citizens to move around the country to work would have been on the end of some vociferous comments from leavers and remainers alike.

I get plenty of vociferous comments but not for this, and that is because I have never advocated it.........FACT.

ALTERNATIVE FACT.

Below is the Lincoln Imp question, and your answer (with salient points in bold) to which I believe he was referring, it was Post 24517, made on 6/1/2017, in this thread, if you wish to check the .......FACTS for yourself and ensure I am quoting, without addition or subtraction.



Quote Originally Posted by Lincoln Imp
A question, and it's a genuine one, why does a free market across more than one country offend your socialist principles more than a free market within one political boundary? (I thought that it might be because it is bigger but that can't be the reason because then you would regard large countries as being less socialist than small ones, all things being equal, to coin a phrase.) Leading on from the first question, do you similarly object to the free market within the UK and would like to see it ended?

As I say, I ask the questions without rancour. A reply along similar lines would be appreciated.



Free unfettered markets and/or lassiez faire governance, is the ideology of Tories (and classical liberals), and history has proven many times that without state interference and/or control disaster is just around the corner.

Therefore with the gift of hindsight I am against free markets, and politically speaking I am against free markets. The freedom of labour is the worst example of this because quite evidently not being able to manage supply and demand is disastrous. It's disastrous for workers pay, its disastrous for a government to manage state assets, like housing, education, healthcare etc. Politicians in this country can say it's not so, many of the 17m who voted leave no different.

Therefore my view would apply within a state or as with the EU across a group of states, it makes no difference.

The EU is an unashamed pro free market capitalist institution, its why (say) re nationalising the Royal Mail or Railways is not allowed within its competition laws.

Even when the EU does protectionism, like the CAP its in the interests of the producers not the consumers, and therefore indefensible.

The sooner the whole cabal collapses the better.