[Politics] Brexit

[beorhthelm]

We have a narrow win for leave and we go for the most extreme Brexit possible, May is failing to bring the country together and could well fracture the Union with it

those were the rules laid down by the remainers who proposed and passed the law to have the vote. do you believe reversing policy and backing out of the result would bring about harmony in the country?

 

[cunning fergus]

I am not so sure that the 24 nations that are net recipients of the EU will be thanking us for reducing the budget, nor the 3 remaining net contributors for creating pressure on them to step up.
In fact, not sure that we will actually be paying much less in to EU coffers once we are out, we currently enjoy a rebate on what our contributions should be, if that gets torn up and we start paying piecemeal to be in this bit or that bit, we could end up paying more.

No doubt, but then that is the all too predictable consequence of an arrangement where the UK taxpayer is subsidising foreign Governments. This dynamic of course belies the narrative that the EU is like a club. It's not anything remotely like a club. What kind of club exists so that only some members pay any fees in order that others members get paid to be members? It is exactly why Brexit will drive reform. It's probably only the Germans who are prepared to carry on paying but then what price do you place on their guilt?

What is more there will be a pragmatic deal with the UK and EU because there are other geo-political and strategic interests at play. For starters we are vital members of NATO, and other EU countries rely on British military/intelligence support. They also want access to our domestic market, our fishing grounds our capital markets. We need stuff too, but are the likes of the Baltics or Ireland really going to fvck over their interests for EU ideals like freedom of movement that are already dead in the water.........

Relax.

 

[GT49er]

I saw no smugness.

Do words such as thick, old, and racist not ring a bell, then? Short memory syndrome, perhaps?

 

[GT49er]

No. If people are using those terms to describe sides then surely it is the brexiteers who are the snowflakes as they threw their toys out of the pram to begin the whole sorry affair.

What toys? What pram? What drivel!

 

[GT49er]

That is a problem with the people we have voted into power, in both cases. Maybe we should vote more carefully for people who will listen and represent us instead of bowing to their parties or to other pressures. Instead we tend to vote based on what the current party leader is like, which in no way is an indication of how good a local mp or mep is. We have to take some blame for that.

You know, that is almost the only statement I've seen from you that makes a germ of sense! Although I suppose I must doff my hat to all those who voted for Pig-Sticker Cameron (something which I wouldn't have done in a million years) who accidentally gave the people a chance to have their say - not that he wanted to - he was arrogant enough to think he would win.

Pffff!

 

[GT49er]

those were the rules laid down by the remainers who proposed and passed the law to have the vote. do you believe reversing policy and backing out of the result would bring about harmony in the country?

Sadly, he/she probably does!. Like the fellow-travellers, the Lib Undemocrats, and the Labour-oh god-can't we- forget-about -the-north brigade based in London and the south east.

 

[GT49er]

I know what you are saying about going back to the EU but I think that would cause a war, half the nation has been sufficiently poisoned by the right wing press. We have a narrow win for leave and we go for the most extreme Brexit possible, May is failing to bring the country together and could well fracture the Union with it

Its bizarre the people I know who voted Brexit all seem risk adverse in their lives, yet seem happy to put the nation at huge risk going forward.

No. You seem to casually forget that the rest of the EU will have a say in the terms of our ongoing relationship after Brexit. There won't be a series of options for Parliament to vote on - "We'll take this, but not that, we'll have a vote on it". Farcical. It won't be for Parliament to decide; it will be whatever the EU agrees to.

 

[Baldseagull]

No doubt, but then that is the all too predictable consequence of an arrangement where the UK taxpayer is subsidising foreign Governments. This dynamic of course belies the narrative that the EU is like a club. It's not anything remotely like a club. What kind of club exists so that only some members pay any fees in order that others members get paid to be members? It is exactly why Brexit will drive reform. It's probably only the Germans who are prepared to carry on paying but then what price do you place on their guilt?

What is more there will be a pragmatic deal with the UK and EU because there are other geo-political and strategic interests at play. For starters we are vital members of NATO, and other EU countries rely on British military/intelligence support. They also want access to our domestic market, our fishing grounds our capital markets. We need stuff too, but are the likes of the Baltics or Ireland really going to fvck over their interests for EU ideals like freedom of movement that are already dead in the water.........

Relax.

Arse gravy mate.

 

[GT49er]

Arse gravy mate.

You've shat yourself? Worse than bed-wetting then.............................

 

[GT49er]

That is the most galling aspect of the whole thing. We are not leaving the eu due to any other reason than some political infighting and cock waving from a bunch of posh school boys!
In or out, right or wrong, we are the ones who will suffer and pay the price of it.

Almost makes sense too! Except for me, and 17 million plus others, the last sentence would be, "We are the ones who are bl**dy delighted about it!"

 

[Baldseagull]

Poisoned?
Don't need the right wing press to tell me how to vote...I just look around the EU and see big problems and I don't like a glorified "agency/middleman "organisation dictating what you can and can't do.

The biggest threat to wonderful Europe is the lefties or should I say"was a wonderful Europe " instead.....

Where is it you look around the EU? Is it in the pages of a newspaper, the pages of a website and the news on TV?

 

[beorhthelm]

That is the most galling aspect of the whole thing. We are not leaving the eu due to any other reason than some political infighting and cock waving from a bunch of posh school boys!

there's 17,410,742 posh, cock waving school boys? you learn something everyday.

 

[Baldseagull]

there's 17,410,742 posh, cock waving school boys? you learn something everyday.

I doubt you have.

 

[Baldseagull]

Almost makes sense too! Except for me, and 17 million plus others, the last sentence would be, "We are the ones who are bl**dy delighted about it!"

Plenty of time for regret.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Do words such as thick, old, and racist not ring a bell, then? Short memory syndrome, perhaps?

No, they don't, except for one or two, but you'll find that sort in any binfest on the internet.

 

[pastafarian]

That is the most galling aspect of the whole thing. We are not leaving the eu due to any other reason than some political infighting and cock waving from a bunch of posh school boys! .

You are a liar, spreading lies.
The fact that a mix of millions of Labour, Greens, Socialists, UKIP, Lib Dems and Scottish Nationalists supporters actually voted in favour of Brexit would suggest your view it was all about Tory infighting is a load of BS.
Your Tory infighting viewpoint is not backed up by facts that tell you the majority of the public wanted a referendum anyway.

 

[cunning fergus]

That is the most galling aspect of the whole thing. We are not leaving the eu due to any other reason than some political infighting and cock waving from a bunch of posh school boys!
In or out, right or wrong, we are the ones who will suffer and pay the price of it.

The decision to hold an EU referendum was overwhelmingly backed by Parliament, all political parties had previously offered the UK Electorate one, and with UKIP winning the popular vote in the previous EU election a referendum on our membership was inevitable at some point.

As for suffering the price of Brexit we have been suffering for years, from (say) from the contribution of billions of pounds of tax payers money, surrendering border controls and handing over law making power to a group of unelected technocrats.

Arguably we have not suffered like the Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese and Italians. These countries are the bell weathers of the EU's failures. Close your eyes to these much wider problems if you want, however for those who want to save the EU they should hope for a fair Brexit deal with the UK.

The deep structural problems of the EU and EZ need to be dealt with as a priority, whilst Brexit is not a mortal blow to either it could turn into one if the focus of the EU is on punishing a democratic decision by the UK as oppose to sorting out their own more urgent problems.........if they can?

Past performance is not a good indication that they will........

 

[nicko31]

those were the rules laid down by the remainers who proposed and passed the law to have the vote. do you believe reversing policy and backing out of the result would bring about harmony in the country?

I don't, the Tories had internal infighting which has been going on for decades for Europe. They've let the genie out of the bottle and they now have to put all their energy into sorting the mess out. Next few years are damage control, little else will get done

 

[nicko31]

You are a liar, spreading lies.
The fact that a mix of millions of Labour, Greens, Socialists, UKIP, Lib Dems and Scottish Nationalists supporters actually voted in favour of Brexit would suggest your view it was all about Tory infighting is a load of BS.
Your Tory infighting viewpoint is not backed up by facts that tell you the majority of the public wanted a referendum anyway.

23 years to win an election, 22 months to create chaos

 

[alfredmizen]

Over 96 per cent of residents are born in the UK and 97.9 per cent are ethnically white. EU immigrant figures are less than half the average. Please explain the point you are making.

you missed out the part where 97.9 % are ethnically white , if youd added that detail i wouldnt have posted what i did , i assumed , obviously wrongly , that barnsley would be like other areas of yorkshire , where the population is anything but 97% ethnically white.