[Politics] Brexit

[Maldini]

Unfortunately, a vote to leave will not change any of this in ways that will prove satisfactory for you.

A vote to leave will suppress the economy and therefore see less business for you. This may affect unscrupulous builders in the UK, but it more than likely will not short-term. Long-term it will, but by then you may have gone bust as there will be a lot less cash in the economy.

The way to address these issues is through better policed employment legislation and business legislation. All possible.

As a scrupulous builder, I know that you will never have taken cash in hand for a job, and so you should be campaigning with our own MPs to take this issue more seriously. Unfortunately, the EU has no power in this area, but the UK government does - don't let it abdicate its responsibility.

I'm not a builder.

A vote to leave will mean less opportunity for business owners to take advantage of migrants.Will mean they will have to pay proper wages and through the books.Will mean less cash in hand and more tax paid.

I have never said we should stop ALL foreign workers coming here.

As for your predictions,as Osborne and the IMF are often getting things wrong I take little note of predictions by both camps.

 

[Hamilton]

would you like to comment upon the example of VAT changes, where our parliament can no longer set the rate it wishes but has to conform to EU harmonisation rules?

Yes, I would. I think there are problems with how VAT is set and it can sometimes lead to fraudulent behaviour from outside the UK. Not good at all.

I think there is an argument for agreeing VAT levels on certain goods in order to set a level playing field, but this shouldn't (and as far as I know doesn't) apply to all goods.

I've said before. The EU is not perfect. There are issues that need addressing. But, an EU where we can play an active part in creating a powerful trading bloc to trade with and trade through is a good thing for Britain. To leave this would damage our country. I'm not prepared to do that as an Englishman, a British citizen nor as a European.

 

[Hamilton]

I'm not a builder.

A vote to leave will mean less opportunity for business owners to take advantage of migrants.Will mean they will have to pay proper wages and through the books.Will mean less cash in hand and more tax paid.

I have never said we should stop ALL foreign workers coming here.

As for your predictions,as Osborne and the IMF are often getting things wrong I take little note of predictions by both camps.

Perhaps you'll listen to the London School of Economics then? Or perhaps any number of people who are far wiser than you and I and are not career politicians - these people would suggest we should Remain.

 

[Maldini]

Unfortunately, a vote to leave will not change any of this in ways that will prove satisfactory for you.

A vote to leave will suppress the economy and therefore see less business for you. This may affect unscrupulous builders in the UK, but it more than likely will not short-term. Long-term it will, but by then you may have gone bust as there will be a lot less cash in the economy.

The way to address these issues is through better policed employment legislation and business legislation. All possible.

As a scrupulous builder, I know that you will never have taken cash in hand for a job, and so you should be campaigning with our own MPs to take this issue more seriously. Unfortunately, the EU has no power in this area, but the UK government does - don't let it abdicate its responsibility.

Out of interest do you have a ceiling where even you would say enough is enough,no more migrants?

 

[Maldini]

Perhaps you'll listen to the London School of Economics then? Or perhaps any number of people who are far wiser than you and I and are not career politicians - these people would suggest we should Remain.

I would listen to NO-ONE because sometimes they get it right and sometimes they get it wrong.Did the LS of E see 2008?

 

[Hamilton]

I would listen to NO-ONE because sometimes they get it right and sometimes they get it wrong.Did the LS of E see 2008?

So, who are you listening to then? Did these opinions just come to you in a dream?

 

[Maldini]

Land of Hope and Glory:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/67...s-Last-Whites-of-the-East-End-BBC-documentary

 

[Bladders]

If the EU Referendum was today.

No one in their right mind would vote to join the single currency, as it's clear we're doing better not fully connected to the EU in this way.

Just think what we could achieve with even less dead EU weight around our necks.

 

[5ways]

i guess from your remarks you would have no problem with 100 million chinese people arriving in the UK to live and work this year?
after all immigrants have no negative impact on local services.

oh yes,you forgot to answer,....why no mention of NATO in your snappy poster?
come on how hard is it for you to answer

You have to drop this poster thing man. It's a quote about the EU from BoJo. It does not negate or minimise the role of NATO. It's a poster... about how the EU has 'helped' keep the peace for the longest time since the 14th century. It did not say sole contributor and single factor. That's not very snappy.

 

[5ways]

Obama won't be in power some others who theoretically could be .. say the opposite. China said they are keen to do trade deals with new partners and were fed up with the EU failing to advance negotiations year in, year out as they were trying to accommodate 28 different positions. Sound very interested to me.

Obama won't be in power, Hillary will be. Who is very pro-trade, I don't know why the policy would change. She's more hawkish than Obama too which would see her favour remain. China told us when Xi Jinping visited that he wants us to remain in the EU.

 

[beorhthelm]

I think there is an argument for agreeing VAT levels on certain goods in order to set a level playing field, but this shouldn't (and as far as I know doesn't) apply to all goods.

the rules are that you should move to the "standard" VAT rate across all goods, may not reduce VAT rates except for temporary reasons, and not allowed to set to zero rate. VAT levels are no longer determined by our Chancellor or parliament, if we want to permanently reduce or zero rate a group of products we may not do so.

 

[heathgate]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36104077

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Obama won't be in power, Hillary will be. Who is very pro-trade, I don't know why the policy would change. She's more hawkish than Obama too which would see her favour remain. China told us when Xi Jinping visited that he wants us to remain in the EU.

Good news if Hilary wins then, any person who is very pro trade would want a deal with us sooner rather than later.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Yes there is evidence.

A 2015 Bank of England report focused on the impact of wages across different occupation groups. They found that the biggest impact of immigration was felt in the semi/unskilled services sector where a 10 percentage point rise in the proportion of immigrants in the sector was associated with a 2 percent reduction in wages. On average wages the Bank of England concluded that immigration has ‘a small, significant, negative impact’.

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/document/235

The overall net economic impact of mass immigration is disputed with many studies finding a significant cost.

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/fiscal-impact-immigration-uk

But I'm sure I read somewhere that the Bank of England is run by some vested-interest foreign bullsh*tter who was appointed by the chancellor and hopes for nothing more than to blow smoke up George's bottom.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

You know you've won the argument when the opposition can only hurl pathetic insults.

What, you mean like this?

"You haven't even reached the level of simple for me.You're still bacteria swimming around."

Post 1533

 

[Hamilton]

the rules are that you should move to the "standard" VAT rate across all goods, may not reduce VAT rates except for temporary reasons, and not allowed to set to zero rate. VAT levels are no longer determined by our Chancellor or parliament, if we want to permanently reduce or zero rate a group of products we may not do so.

I don't think that's true. Standard VAT rates do not apply to all goods. For example, I know that Ireland has a higher rate than the UK. Additionally, we have zero rates on certain goods.

 

[beorhthelm]

I don't think that's true. Standard VAT rates do not apply to all goods. For example, I know that Ireland has a higher rate than the UK. Additionally, we have zero rates on certain goods.

i didn't say we have standard rate yet, but all nations are being told to move rates towards this. see "tampon tax" and church building work stories, two cases were we've wanted to zero rate and been told this breached EU rules so cant. digital books, a new catagory of goods, had to be rated at local rates according to EU rules, so we pay 0 on print books and 20% on kindle edition (unless you buy from Luxemburg based Amazon, in which case you paid 15% or whatever the rates have been... the system doesn't even work as intended)

 

[Hamilton]

i didn't say we have standard rate yet, but all nations are being told to move rates towards this. see "tampon tax" and church building work stories, two cases were we've wanted to zero rate and been told this breached EU rules so cant. digital books, a new catagory of goods, had to be rated at local rates according to EU rules, so we pay 0 on print books and 20% on kindle edition (unless you buy from Luxemburg based Amazon, in which case you paid 15% or whatever the rates have been... the system doesn't even work as intended)

Sorry, can you point me in the direction of the evidence that the UK government wants a zero tampon tax rate please?

 

[Hamilton]

i didn't say we have standard rate yet, but all nations are being told to move rates towards this. see "tampon tax" and church building work stories, two cases were we've wanted to zero rate and been told this breached EU rules so cant. digital books, a new catagory of goods, had to be rated at local rates according to EU rules, so we pay 0 on print books and 20% on kindle edition (unless you buy from Luxemburg based Amazon, in which case you paid 15% or whatever the rates have been... the system doesn't even work as intended)

OK, so a brief bit of research and you get to the VAT facts here... http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN02683

Not that scary really.

Any chance our elected UK MP's might bring our standard are down to the standard threshold of 15% (presently at 20% in the UK).

In fact only Malta, Luxembourg, Germany and Cyprus have lower VAT rates than the UK.

http://www.vatlive.com/vat-rates/european-vat-rates/eu-vat-rates/

 

[beorhthelm]

OK, so a brief bit of research and you get to the VAT facts here... http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN02683

Not that scary really.

first line "All Member States have limited discretion in setting VAT rates under EU VAT law". whats scary is that people are content that such powers are given away. one day the EU will expect us to raise our 0% rate to the "reduced rate" others have, so that'll be 6-7% on foods, books, rent, pharmaceuticals etc.