[Politics] Brexit

[GT49er]

You are getting everything a little mixed up. Bailing Greece out of the Euro problems it faced and the ECB are very different issues to membership of the EU.


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Are you going to come right out and support the 'Remain' campaign? Because if you are, please do so quickly - you can add valuable votes to thee Brexit campaign with your blancmange guff. People will laugh.......and ten decide they don't want to vote the same way as you'

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

You are getting everything a little mixed up. Bailing Greece out of the Euro problems it faced and the ECB are very different issues to membership of the EU.


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No, not really. You were talking about policy and influence. The chief paymaster has the greatest influence.

 

[GT49er]

The ECB is not controlled by one member state. This is just grandstanding. You just can't prove this hyperbole. This is why Boris is reduced to statements that include the names of Hitler and Napoleon.

Jesus wept! Just listen to your blancmange - it has far more of an idea than you do!

 

[larus]

The ECB is not controlled by one member state. This is just grandstanding. You just can't prove this hyperbole. This is why Boris is reduced to statements that include the names of Hitler and Napoleon.


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The German courts have fired warning shots to the German Government and also the ECB that Fiscal Transfers are no allowed by the German Constitution. Therefore, although this is what is needed to make the Euro survive, it can't be done as it it illegal from a German perspective. The ECB is being curtailed by Germany (which I think is good anyway), as the next step to Fiscal Transfers will need to be voted on by all countries. Of course, the poorer ones will say yes, but the richer ones? Not a chance.

There was an article in the Telegraph last week and it reported on the level of Anti EU feeling in several countries. Italy is currently 48% Anti EU, as their economy is stagnant and shrinking, and they can't do anything about it due to the Fical Pact which is being enforced by German intransigence. They have to implement cuts in Italy so as not to run a larger budget deficit, but the better policy would be to inflate the economy to get more activity.

Even if we vote REMAIN, there's a huge storm building due to the strains of the EURO. The EURO is doomed unless there's Fiscal integration (which won't happen). Once the EURO collapses, then the EU will start to disintegrate.

 

[pastafarian]

Once the EURO collapses, then the EU will start to disintegrate.

Another good reason to get OUT now.
The EU will be ugly when it implodes,we could do without those shackles when the ship sinks.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Another good reason to get OUT now.
The EU will be ugly when it implodes,we could do without those shackles when the ship sinks.

Plus we will already be at the front of the queue completing numerous trade deals with the worlds biggest, fastest growing, expanding markets, limiting the damage/ risk of having most of our economic eggs in one EU basket(case).

 

[beorhthelm]

In the real world, German influence on EU policy is no greater than ours.

really? the last year with the Greek and Syrian immigrant crises past you by then?

 

[5ways]

But we had all of this crap about losing jobs/inward investment if we didn't join the EURO. It's BS; there's no other word for it.

We're the 5th largest economy in the world. The City will still be dominant in financial services. Europe will still trade with us. Yes, there will be a period of uncertainty and maybe a SHORT-TERM MARGINAL impact to GDP. But, the flexibility of our economy compares to Europ will allow us to bounce back and flourish outside of the EU. Bring it on.

Didn't realise you were a globally respected economist. Look forward to your publication which soundly puts to bed the exact opposite argument made by the Treasury, IMF, OECD and LSE who all say it will be short-term shock and lasting generational damage. Permanently poorer is what I've read.

 

[5ways]

Plus we will already be at the front of the queue completing numerous trade deals with the worlds biggest, fastest growing, expanding markets, limiting the damage/ risk of having most of our economic eggs in one EU basket(case).

Obama told us we were at the back of the queue. China said they want us to be the gateway to Europe. Doesn't sound like they're very interested.

 

[5ways]

People are earning low money because EU freedom of labour movement allows cheap labourers to arbitrage the UK's high relative wages. EU migration hurts British low earners more than any other class.

For a country with a relatively high GDP per capita, immigration control is a prerequisite for a proper living wage.

Leaving the EU would be a form of protectionism of the kind I would expect Labour to embrace.

Is there any evidence that EU migration hurts British low earners or reduces wages?

Just the other day I read

"Jonathan Wadsworth, one of the co-authors of the report, said: “The bottom line, which may surprise many people, is that EU immigration has not harmed the pay, jobs or public services enjoyed by Britons.

“In fact, for the most part it has likely made us better off. So far from EU immigration being a necessary evil that we pay to get access to the greater trade and foreign investment generated by the EU single market, immigration is at worse neutral and at best, another economic benefit.”

The study said there was little effect of EU immigration on inequality through reducing the pay and jobs of less skilled UK workers, while changes in wages and unemployment for less skilled UK-born workers show little correlation with changes in EU immigration.

“EU immigrants pay more in taxes than they use public services and therefore they help to reduce the budget deficit. Immigrants do not have a negative effect on local services such as education, health or social housing; nor do they have any effect on social instability as indicated by crime rates.”

hmm. http://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/may/11/eu-migrants-had-no-negative-effect-on-uk-wages-says-lse

 

[pastafarian]

Obama told us we were at the back of the queue. .

who cares what Obama thinks,he is gone in a few months anyway.
its entirely possible Trump will be in charge soon, he said today
"I am going to treat everybody fairly but it wouldn't make any difference to me whether they(UK) were in the EU or not,"
"You would certainly not be back of the queue, that I can tell you."

 

[pastafarian]

Immigrants do not have a negative effect on local services such as education, health or social housing; nor do they have any effect on social instability as indicated by crime rates.”]

i guess from your remarks you would have no problem with 100 million chinese people arriving in the UK to live and work this year?
after all immigrants have no negative impact on local services.

oh yes,you forgot to answer,....why no mention of NATO in your snappy poster?
come on how hard is it for you to answer

 

[pastafarian]

We have heard this argument a 101 times. Can you come up with something different?

something different?
How about TTIP
Are you in favour of this EU deal?
Or do you support Corbyn when he says this deal is a disaster for the UK and he promises to get us out of it if elected in 2020

 

[pastafarian]

Boris is correct about Hitler

also here is Angela in her youth days



in fairness she doesn't gas people,she is more partial to mass drowning.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Boris is correct about Hitler

Any quote involving the word 'Hitler' is bound to get people frothing at the mouth. I believe that the comparison with Hitler and Napoleon was not regarding their political method but rather their long term aims. It's highly convenient for the remain camp to become hysterical about this as the truth about the EU's main political aim is unpalatable to the majority of the British people. The gibbering response to the invocation of 'Hitler' is a smokescreen for the ultimate aim of total unification.

 

[Bladders]

In the real world, German influence on EU policy is no greater than ours.


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Comedy post of the week!

Well done sir

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

who cares what Obama thinks,he is gone in a few months anyway.
its entirely possible Trump will be in charge soon, he said today
"I am going to treat everybody fairly but it wouldn't make any difference to me whether they(UK) were in the EU or not,"
"You would certainly not be back of the queue, that I can tell you."

I know the Brexit camp are running out of ideas but to use Trump quotes.... Jesus.

 

[Hamilton]

Comedy post of the week!

Well done sir

If you can return some objective proof then that would be great. Note, objective, not subjective.


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[Hamilton]

Boris is correct about Hitler

also here is Angela in her youth days

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in fairness she doesn't gas people,she is more partial to mass drowning.

Desperate desperate stuff from a leave campaigner (and tasteless and crass as well.)


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[sussex_guy2k2]

Any quote involving the word 'Hitler' is bound to get people frothing at the mouth. I believe that the comparison with Hitler and Napoleon was not regarding their political method but rather their long term aims. It's highly convenient for the remain camp to become hysterical about this as the truth about the EU's main political aim is unpalatable to the majority of the British people. The gibbering response to the invocation of 'Hitler' is a smokescreen for the ultimate aim of total unification.

There's a difference between having the same aim as another person, but also wanting to go about that aim in totally different ways. Hitler used genocide and a dictatorship as a way of trying to unite Europe by wiping out the elements he didn't want so that he could control the whole region. The EU want to unite Europe to make us safer, to make the region more prosperous, to allow its people more opportunities etc. They may have had the same aim, but the two ways of getting there (and the likely consequences following that aim being achieved) are so drastically different that it is both idiotic and insulting of Boris to make the comparison.

It's like me saying you and I both want to have a chocolate bar. You go in and pay for it with your money, and I go in with a knife and hold the shop keeper at knife point until he gives me what I want. The goal is the same, but the method is so drastically different to make us fundamentally opposed. So no, it really isn't a gibberish response by the remain campaign. In fact, it worries me that someone who sounds so eloquent in their written response can have such a warped view of this incident. It worries me even more that people think Boris Johnson is a good face for the leave campaign.