[Politics] Brexit

[Baldseagull]

Not at all, we have democratically voted to leave, the EU has been the net recipient of £Billions of our taxes, we have been an important export market and one of its largest EU economies and a critical ally in the security of the region and beyond and we expect to continue to be its closest partner.

You tell me which part you feel the EU has every right to play hardball against the democratic wishes of the UK and we can then see if it should be deemed punitive or not, free trade aspirations ? regaining control of our borders ? withdrawing from the European Court of Justice and returning ultimate legal governance to the UK ?

Everything should in my eyes be quite conciliatory but it seems not, thats when in my eyes it is no longer reasonable and is then punitive.

It is not punative for the EU to say to us, that if we want some continued benefits, we have to continue with some of the responsibilities.
What the UK seems to be asking for is all of the benefits, and none of the responsibilities.
The purpose of a union is to have a collective bargaining power that is stronger than each member on his own, but somehow, we expect a union of 27, including France and Germany to just cave in to our demands and give us the run of the house without paying rent or living by the rules, and do it rather quickly, you really have bought the full Farage bullshit.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Yet Lord Ashcrofts poll, which you continually, conveniently ignore (unless to reinforce negative stereotyping of Leave voters) clearly supports the argument that most Leave voters did vote on issues directly connected to our EU membership.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

I have ignored the reasons-to-leave findings in the good lord's poll because it simply invited leave-voting participants to choose one of three high-flying and worthy-sounding factors as their reason for voting Out. Pretty crude stuff really but perhaps it impressed those who wanted to be impressed.

 

[BigGully]

It is not punative for the EU to say to us, that if we want some continued benefits, we have to continue with some of the responsibilities.
What the UK seems to be asking for is all of the benefits, and none of the responsibilities.
The purpose of a union is to have a collective bargaining power that is stronger than each member on his own, but somehow, we expect a union of 27, including France and Germany to just cave in to our demands and give us the run of the house without paying rent or living by the rules, and do it rather quickly, you really have bought the full Farage bullshit.

Protectionism .....

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Cameron went and asked for concessions and change and got nothing tangible in return. EU doesnt want reform and watering down of terms that most trouble the UK. and thank Merkel for making Islamic immigration an EU issue, quite wrongly of course, but dont blame the voters for their concerns when no one addressed them.

I am not sure that the arrival of large numbers of asians in Germany played heavily in the streets of Grimsby but Farage's live TV suggestion that swarthy types might soon be interfering with our women could have done, and then of course there was the poster that implied that the only way of stopping them reaching us was to vote Leave.

On the point of Cameron's concessions the problem was that he wildly oversold what he was aiming for - even in 2010 he was making ludicrous claims about immigration he knew he couldn't keep - and thus gave the tabloids and their friends all the ammunition they needed when he inevitably failed against target. Having said that, the stresses and strains faced by the EU and the internal pressures from the Visegrad and other central European countries, plus some in NW Europe, mean that change is likely to come and the UK was in a powerful position to lead that change. It decided to walk away.

As a Dutch-born Brighton mother said to me at a family gathering in July - "We were relying on England."

 

[Billy the Fish]

I have ignored the reasons-to-leave findings in the good lord's poll because la la la la la la la I'm not listening la la la la people only voted leave because they're racist la la la la la la la la they're more stupid than me la la la la la la immigration la la la la la la

Corrected for you

 

[Soulman]

Corrected for you

7

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Corrected for you

Only the deluded would be amused by that.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

7

There you go!

 

[Soulman]

Only the deluded would be amused by that.

Perhaps the deluded are those that can not except the result of a referendum, and are deluded in trying to work out why over 17m were not deluded.

 

[Two Professors]

It is not punative for the EU to say to us, that if we want some continued benefits, we have to continue with some of the responsibilities.
What the UK seems to be asking for is all of the benefits, and none of the responsibilities.
The purpose of a union is to have a collective bargaining power that is stronger than each member on his own, but somehow, we expect a union of 27, including France and Germany to just cave in to our demands and give us the run of the house without paying rent or living by the rules, and do it rather quickly, you really have bought the full Farage bullshit.

What benefits?If they want to trade with us,fair enough-if they don't,who cares?They sell a damn sight more to us than we do to them.I hear some of these people like a bit of self-mutilation,but cutting off their nose is just a bit too extreme,even for germans!

 

[Two Professors]

But not in Burnley given the comments from the locals and which have been continually in the local paper according to the on screen interview with the editor.

 

[Two Professors]

Corrected for you

Post of 2017 so far-well done that man!

 

[studio150]

What benefits?If they want to trade with us,fair enough-if they don't,who cares?

Anyone who buys or uses EU imports. Following an isolation policy would only fuel UK inflation and hurt the economy. But I assume that increased cost is something you are happy paying.

 

[beorhthelm]

Anyone who buys or uses EU imports. Following an isolation policy would only fuel UK inflation and hurt the economy. But I assume that increased cost is something you are happy paying.

no one is proposing we adopt a policy of isolation, quite the opposite, the agenda is to embrace tariff free trade with EU and world wide. why isn't this understood, at least in concept even if not wanting to leave EU?

also the purpose of the union was to be a protectionist bloc, nothing to do with bargaining power. either they have moved on from that and welcome a free trade agreement with one of their largest trading partners, or decide it really is about being and inward looking, limiting trade.

 

[BigGully]

Anyone who buys or uses EU imports. Following an isolation policy would only fuel UK inflation and hurt the economy. But I assume that increased cost is something you are happy paying.

Why do you assume that the EU inevitabely should or must punish the UK's electorate (and their own) for voting out by implementing non free tariff trade, especially when we run a trade deficit with them, we have aspirations to freely trade worldwide irrespective of a politically cobbled together geographic region, its hardly isolationist.

 

[Two Professors]

Anyone who buys or uses EU imports. Following an isolation policy would only fuel UK inflation and hurt the economy. But I assume that increased cost is something you are happy paying.

Anyone who buys or uses EU imports is paying well over the odds for them-that's why they have difficulty selling to anybody else and put up trade barriers and tariffs.When will you lot wake up?

 

[studio150]

Anyone who buys or uses EU imports is paying well over the odds for them-that's why they have difficulty selling to anybody else and put up trade barriers and tariffs.When will you lot wake up?

Lower pound do wake up

 

[studio150]

Why do you assume that the EU inevitabely should or must punish the UK's electorate (and their own) for voting out by implementing non free tariff trade, especially when we run a trade deficit with them, we have aspirations to freely trade worldwide irrespective of a politically cobbled together geographic region, its hardly isolationist.

Speak to Two Professors he wants to stick two figures up to the EU and walk away if they dont want to play ball

 

[studio150]

no one is proposing we adopt a policy of isolation, quite the opposite, the agenda is to embrace tariff free trade with EU and world wide. why isn't this understood, at least in concept even if not wanting to leave EU?

also the purpose of the union was to be a protectionist bloc, nothing to do with bargaining power. either they have moved on from that and welcome a free trade agreement with one of their largest trading partners, or decide it really is about being and inward looking, limiting trade.

Two Professors if the EU wont play ball is

 

[Two Professors]

Lower pound do wake up

Buy from people who know how to trade,not hide behind barriers!That is how business is suppose to work.A market is a place to go and buy what you want-if it costs too much,shop elsewhere.Luxury cars,cheese,and wine can be bought from lots of places and aren't exclusive to the EU.Do wake up.