[Politics] Brexit

[portslade seagull]

Well, I don't have a crystal ball, time machine or the ability to change the result of the 75 referendum but I believe we would have been overall better off if we'd stayed out. It may have been difficult at the start but we'd have made a better job of it than had we stayed in.

That's the thing with the 75 vote, nobody was given a chance to vote. It was foisted upon us. At least we had a vote to decide remain/out given to us by Cameron and the will of the populas is out

 

[Baldseagull]

The EU countries will not want their own citizens thrown out of the UK, same as we do not want our citizens thrown out of EU countries.
The Remainers keep saying we will not Leave the EU until deals are in place, so where does the 2 years come into it.

There is a 2 year time span given in Article 50 as the duration of withdrawal, to allow for negotiations. If we have not reached agreement in that time, it is possible to maintain the status quo for longer, if the other 27 agree to it. Once we start, we are only guaranteed that 2 year period, after that it is up to them.
If we reach agreement sooner, we may leave sooner, but I think that it will be difficult to sell to us, the public, any deal done quickly, as the best deal we could have done.

 

[studio150]

That's the thing with the 75 vote, nobody was given a chance to vote. It was foisted upon us. At least we had a vote to decide remain/out given to us by Cameron and the will of the populas is out

So why in round figures did 25.9m people vote in the referendum in 1975. Seems a lot of people given you have stated no one was given a chance to vote.

 

[studio150]

There is a 2 year time span given in Article 50 as the duration of withdrawal, to allow for negotiations. If we have not reached agreement in that time, it is possible to maintain the status quo for longer, if the other 27 agree to it. Once we start, we are only guaranteed that 2 year period, after that it is up to them.
If we reach agreement sooner, we may leave sooner, but I think that it will be difficult to sell to us, the public, any deal done quickly, as the best deal we could have done.

Seems somewhat strange that this needs to be restated. It would seem some posters are still clueless of the process

 

[Soulman]

There is a 2 year time span given in Article 50 as the duration of withdrawal, to allow for negotiations. If we have not reached agreement in that time, it is possible to maintain the status quo for longer, if the other 27 agree to it. Once we start, we are only guaranteed that 2 year period, after that it is up to them.
If we reach agreement sooner, we may leave sooner, but I think that it will be difficult to sell to us, the public, any deal done quickly, as the best deal we could have done.

I was hoping for a settlement well before 2 years.

 

[Soulman]

Seems somewhat strange that this needs to be restated. It would seem some posters are still clueless of the process

Clueless?, we voted out, the process could/should be done quickly, it is people that keep putting up barriers and asking for another referendum, the stalling, the bleating.
The vote was Remain or Leave, and the result was Leave.

 

[Soulman]

So why in round figures did 25.9m people vote in the referendum in 1975. Seems a lot of people given you have stated no one was given a chance to vote.

What was voted for in 75 was completely different to what unfolded over the years, now the vote is different.

 

[cjd]

Well, I don't have a crystal ball, time machine or the ability to change the result of the 75 referendum but I believe we would have been overall better off if we'd stayed out. It may have been difficult at the start but we'd have made a better job of it than had we stayed in.

I was hoping for a settlement well before 2 years.

In 2 years What planet are you on ? This will go on for years and years and years.

The only thing that is 'settled' now, is this has created a division in this country that will go on for at least a generation and will only finally recede when the aged population is dead and the younger generation have the chance to rejoin.

 

[Soulman]

In 2 years What planet are you on ? This will go on for years and years and years.

The only thing that is 'settled' now, is this has created a division in this country that will go on for at least a generation and will only finally recede when the aged population is dead and the younger generation have the chance to rejoin.

It will not "for years and years and years."...... you might.

 

[Baldseagull]

The EU citizens who are already here "legally" are safe, there is no way that they will be kicked out and you know it, it wont happen but lets just say for your sake that it does .then it is a likely chance Brits living in other EU countries would be forced out as well, no sane government unless they wanted absolute chaos on their hands would enforce it..,that is a 100% certainty
i cannot believe how anyone could think this to be a possibility,

No sane government would take us out of the single market, but it is a possibility. But it is not just whether they will be able to remain, it is also what their status will be if it is.
Will those here get a sort of dual nationality? A work visa? Do they have to make a choice, between becoming British citizens and losing citizenship of the EU, or leaving? Will they be entitled to benefits? What will happen if they go home for a year to look after a relative? If Calde wants to come back and coach in Brighton, will he be allowed back as he has spent so many years here, or does a year working elsewhere bar him? What happens when they reach retirement? If they need to use the NHS, will we be billing their home country? Can they use State schools? What happens if they lose their job? Can they claim benefits?

 

[BigGully]

Jeeeez, you're kiddin' me, with cjd leading the pack with his egocentric 'I wanna retire to France at some stage, now I feel unsettled' just another bunch of remainers that cannot get over the referendum, you just want to hang on for as long as possible, Brexit scares the living daylights out of you, you also think that if we can let it run for a few more years we wont actually leave ever, you are just asking the same questions and scenarios that the Remainers put to the people in the campaign, it was rejected get that into your little nugget heads.

Spoilt deluded children the lot of ya ...........

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

There is a 2 year time span given in Article 50 as the duration of withdrawal, to allow for negotiations. If we have not reached agreement in that time, it is possible to maintain the status quo for longer, if the other 27 agree to it. Once we start, we are only guaranteed that 2 year period, after that it is up to them.
If we reach agreement sooner, we may leave sooner, but I think that it will be difficult to sell to us, the public, any deal done quickly, as the best deal we could have done.

Is see Philip Hammond has just announced there's an "emerging view" it might take longer than two years. You're trusting a woman who doesn't even know the laws in her own country and now this clown who has taken 6 months to figure this out with securing the best deal.

I also heard that the government are deliberately not employing any EU experts to help them out. Does this fill anyone with confidence?

 

[studio150]

Is see Philip Hammond has just announced there's an "emerging view" it might take longer than two years. You're trusting a woman who doesn't even know the laws in her own country and now this clown who has taken 6 months to figure this out with securing the best deal.

I also heard that the government are deliberately not employing any EU experts to help them out. Does this fill anyone with confidence?

Not me. With no EU experts we won't have a clue. Never mind we've got our country back and we must all continue to smile at that.

 

[Two Professors]

Apparently,that Peter Wilding put himself forward as the consultant on the EU,got roundly told where to go,and so has started this new legal challenge in a hissy fit

 

[looney]

I'll leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyLyjBykg8A

 

[GT49er]

That's the thing with the 75 vote, nobody was given a chance to vote.

I beg your pardon? I distinctly remember voting myself, and I understood friends and family to have voted too.

 

[CHAPPERS]

, Brexit scares the living daylights out of you,..

That's because nobody knows what Brexit is yet apparently 'we' voted for it anyway. Still don't.

 

[GT49er]

Will those here get a sort of dual nationality? A work visa? Do they have to make a choice, between becoming British citizens and losing citizenship of the EU, or leaving? Will they be entitled to benefits? What will happen if they go home for a year to look after a relative?

Oh ffs! They'll just be French/German/Italian/whatever citizens (or non EU country citizens) who happen to live and work here - same they would have been as before 1974. Just probably more of them now.

 

[Baldseagull]

Jeeeez, you're kiddin' me, with cjd leading the pack with his egocentric 'I wanna retire to France at some stage, now I feel unsettled' just another bunch of remainers that cannot get over the referendum, you just want to hang on for as long as possible, Brexit scares the living daylights out of you, you also think that if we can let it run for a few more years we wont actually leave ever, you are just asking the same questions and scenarios that the Remainers put to the people in the campaign, it was rejected get that into your little nugget heads.

Spoilt deluded children the lot of ya ...........

And you guys think everything will be alright cos we're British, and we've got Boris.
Brexit doesn't scare you because you think it is simple.

 

[Baldseagull]

Oh ffs! They'll just be French/German/Italian/whatever citizens (or non EU country citizens) who happen to live and work here - same they would have been as before 1974. Just probably more of them now.

With less rights than a UK citizen, or the same?