[Politics] Brexit

[JC Footy Genius]

It's totally fair. No one ever said being would be PM easy. Are you suggesting it's beyond her ability?

Shirley not ...

I appreciate this is not my discussion but, out of interest, what difference does this make?

Some Remain people seem to be saying retaining our Single Market membership is now an option whereas pre-referendum they clearly believed and stated Brexit = leaving the Single market.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You've missed the point - When you and the rest of them claim that people voted for this full brexit, you are wrong. I think this point is largely proven.

Secondly, as I have shown previously from the Leave.eu site, this line:- "There are various trading models that could be explored, for example, a Norway-plus type model, or a looser Canada-style relationship. However matters develop, Leave.EU will be there to provide up-to-the-minute insight" Norway being a member of the EEA but not the EU.

I haven't said people voted for full/ hard Brexit just pointing out retaining our Single Market membership was never going to be an option after Brexit as it would come at the price of retaining free movement, ECJ primacy, membership fees etc. Most people knew this including people on here now pretending they didn't.

 

[GT49er]

Thing is though, it does highlight what we know, that people voted leave for many different reasons with many different expectations. So we do have to put the options on the table for, at the very least, parliament to debate.

If the offer (from the remaining EEA members) is not on the table, Parliament can do naff all about it. They could of course try for the Guinness Book of Records for the most pointless debate of all time. Still, if it keeps some people feeling happier............

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I'm saying she can ask. If re-admission is refused by the members, that is out of her hands.

And an epic fail. Must try harder etc.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If the offer (from the remaining EEA members) is not on the table, Parliament can do naff all about it. They could of course try for the Guinness Book of Records for the most pointless debate of all time. Still, if it keeps some people feeling happier............

Then negotiate so an offer is on the table.

 

[GT49er]

And an epic fail. Must try harder etc.

Not really. She can ask, but the response is not in her hands.

Then negotiate so an offer is on the table.

Worth a try.






So long as it doesn't involve free movement, payments to the EU, subservience to the ECJ, bailing out failing Euro economies, etc, etc. After all, overturning the democratic will of the people and rejoining the EU is not an option, as most reasonable remainers acknowledge.

 

[Steve in Japan]

Thing is though, it does highlight what we know, that people voted leave for many different reasons with many different expectations. So we do have to put the options on the table for, at the very least, parliament to debate.

I can't speak for all leavers of course, and I'm also conscious we are getting to the point where anything that could be said, has been said on this thread.

Having said that, it was crystal clear to most people that Brexit meant no longer adhering to EU rules, and that included freedom of movement, ECJ etc. And therefore I believe most people understood that the Brexit decision might mean losing access to the EEA. If we managed to negotiate something better, then great. But we would take our chances.

We really can't characterise the Brexit vote as a vote to continue adhering to all EU rules, can we? Although some are trying to do just that.

 

[ManOfSussex]

And therefore I believe most people understood that the Brexit decision might mean losing access to the EEA. If we managed to negotiate something better, then great. But we would take our chances.

Which is the position most of my leave voting friends took. They were firmly of the opinion that we would remain within the EEA after Brexit though, following negotiations, as I was at the time of the vote.

 

[synavm]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ould-consider-paying-for-single-market-access

David Davis suggests we might remain in the single market, pound rises again,as it did after the article 50 court case. Funny that.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Not really. She can ask, but the response is not in her hands.


Worth a try..

Jesus. I presume you've never led anything meaningful in your life.

 

[Steve in Japan]

Which is the position most of my leave voting friends took. They were firmly of the opinion that we would remain within the EEA after Brexit though, following negotiations, as I was at the time of the vote.

They would have known access to the EEA was by no means certain, I am sure. It was said often enough during the campaign.

 

[GT49er]

Jesus. I presume you've never led anything meaningful in your life.

My name isn't Jesus, but I'll let that go. I don't know about leading anything, but I'm proud of the part I played in something very meaningful and worthwhile - the successful winning of the vote to leave the EU. I'm proud of a lot of other things I've done too, but that's not germane to this discussion.
Sorry you find it so difficult to accept an opinion which isn't your's, and sorry that you feel arrogant enough to apparently analyse the character of someone you've never met, and know nothing about, other than that I don't agree with your constant moaning about the result of the referendum. Still, carry on............

 

[mikeyjh]

I can't speak for all leavers of course, and I'm also conscious we are getting to the point where anything that could be said, has been said on this thread.

Having said that, it was crystal clear to most people that Brexit meant no longer adhering to EU rules, and that included freedom of movement, ECJ etc. And therefore I believe most people understood that the Brexit decision might mean losing access to the EEA. If we managed to negotiate something better, then great. But we would take our chances.

We really can't characterise the Brexit vote as a vote to continue adhering to all EU rules, can we? Although some are trying to do just that.

No, absolutely not, I think that's 1 thing I can accept as absolutely crystal clear, 'we' no longer want to be governed by EU law. I guess (and it's an utterly pointless exercise) I just want people to be honest and give some ground in order to have a reasonable conversation but when people can only answer 'brexit means brexit' and 'read the question on the ballot' ad nauseum it's difficult to have reasonable discussion about what happens next.

 

[GT49er]

Which is the position most of my leave voting friends took. They were firmly of the opinion that we would remain within the EEA after Brexit though, following negotiations, as I was at the time of the vote.

Blimey! File that under 'M' for Misguided then! Though not as idiotic as the person who'll probably come on here in a little while to moan that it was another one of the Leave campaign's lies - even though the Leave campaign didn't claim this at all!

 

[ManOfSussex]

They would have known access to the EEA was by no means certain, I am sure. It was said often enough during the campaign.

Their believe/assumption was we would remain in the EEA after whatever negotiations took place following Brexit. I was of the same opinion. £350m a week to the NHS was mentioned during the campaign, they and myself didn't believe that anymore than WWIII would happen.

 

[WonderingSoton]

I struggle to see why the mainstream media haven't been reporting on the serious situation developing in Italy in recent weeks, and how the ECB is basically propping the country's economy up currently.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ho...-a-systemic-crisis-in-the-eurozone-2016-11-29
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/ar...ot-replacements-won-t-mean-italy-bond-revival

It's almost as if any bad economic news regarding the EU needs to be suppressed.

 

[5ways]

You were and you also thought Brexit meant leaving the Single market before the referendum.

I seem to recall the setting out of various options and models with total or limited access to single market ( EEA, Swiss model, Canada model and WTO) and then the stats from Treasury and experts ("People in this country have had enough of experts" - Gove) about why the best option is simply full membership.

But perhaps my mind is a little foggy.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Blimey! File that under 'M' for Misguided then! Though not as idiotic as the person who'll probably come on here in a little while to moan that it was another one of the Leave campaign's lies - even though the Leave campaign didn't claim this at all!

Are we definitely leaving the EEA then?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

My name isn't Jesus, but I'll let that go. I don't know about leading anything, but I'm proud of the part I played in something very meaningful and worthwhile - the successful winning of the vote to leave the EU. I'm proud of a lot of other things I've done too, but that's not germane to this discussion.
Sorry you find it so difficult to accept an opinion which isn't your's, and sorry that you feel arrogant enough to apparently analyse the character of someone you've never met, and know nothing about, other than that I don't agree with your constant moaning about the result of the referendum. Still, carry on............

i wouldn't bother, he's just another super sulker
regards
DR

 

[Soulman]

I can't speak for all leavers of course, and I'm also conscious we are getting to the point where anything that could be said, has been said on this thread.

Having said that, it was crystal clear to most people that Brexit meant no longer adhering to EU rules, and that included freedom of movement, ECJ etc. And therefore I believe most people understood that the Brexit decision might mean losing access to the EEA. If we managed to negotiate something better, then great. But we would take our chances.

We really can't characterise the Brexit vote as a vote to continue adhering to all EU rules, can we? Although some are trying to do just that.

Good post.