JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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My view is the future of the UK is better served by leaving the EU .. a majority for whatever reason agree. Acknowledge it /get over it and move on.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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My view is the future of the UK is better served by leaving the EU .. a majority for whatever reason agree. Acknowledge it /get over it and move on.
Brighton Mod
Its All Too Beautiful
Its certainly not that simple to move a whole operation and workforce to another country. The rhetoric coming from the city and certain areas of industry reminds me of the three little pigs and the big bad wolf. In the case of Deloitte they may as well go because I don't see them getting any more government work after their lack of data security.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Your the only one suggesting control of immigration was the main reason so what is your point? Yes there was a poll on the issues, see Lord Ashcrofts poll for reasons why people voted leave.
You didn't vote leave so less of the we.Get you .... determining they were wrong.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
But you do not have any legitimate call on the terms of our future relationship with the EU, as a non member. That is what we were discussing. I am quite aware of the referendum result, and what the question was.
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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My point is we (as in us, as in the UK collectively, not me personally!) only voted to leave the EU, that's all. I appreciate that to many leave people that means a lot of things as a defacto result, but they are wrong.
It is up to the government, the parliament and the house of lords etc. to ensure Brexit is undertaken in the interests of the country as a whole.
Baldseagull
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Didn't two out of three pigs get eaten by the Wolf?
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
any where there is a market for the product, in or out of the EU.
they may have to adjust prices to accomodate tariffs into some markets which will make them a little less competitive or lower margin, and there are other factors to purchasing than simple price. you need to grow out of this mind set that being out of Europe ceases trade in either direction, it adjusts the economics by a few %.
studio150
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I've never had that mindset obviously trade will continue the issue is whether its on a tariff or free basis. I doubt that there will be any punitive tariffs between the EU/UK unless if course the French don't want Somerset Brie being freely available throughout the EU.
pastafarian
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And this is the rub of it, what they are proposing actually means NO brexit at all, we know it, they know it but wont admit it.
They then have the balls to try and disguise NO brexit by inventing the term "soft" brexit instead.
Unfortunately The EU and its supporters dont like citizens having views and opinions through votes, they will be throwing as much as they can over the next months to try and stop the majority vote or at least tie it up in legal wrangles.
The inevitable delays can only harm the country and business who want some certainty in moving forward, but they know this and encourage it, they seem to now wish economic uncertainty and downturns to prove a point.
All very unedifying.
pastafarian
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Its interesting isnt it, in one breath the remainers say immigration wasnt really an issue so lets keep free movement and in the next breath some of them say it was all about immigration, look at the media, look at what leave campaigners were saying...i was ashamed to be British...it was all racist and xenophobic and about getting rid of brown people ...... blah blah blah.
perhaps they could make their own mind up first before lecturing leavers on what they thought leaving the EU meant.
mikeyjh
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I wonder what the % of people is that knew that the EEA and the EU are not one and the same? An interesting development below:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38126899
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38126899
Lawyers say uncertainty over the UK's European Economic Area membership means ministers could be stopped from taking Britain out of the single market.
They will argue the UK will not leave the EEA automatically when it leaves the EU and Parliament should decide.
I assume the article is saying that even if the Supreme Court decide the Government has the mandate to exit the EU, it does not have a mandate to leave the EEA so Parliament would need to vote?
I'm not too stressed about that, I believe Parliament should vote on the overall approach.
I'd be more unhappy if we emerged with the newly-conceived "soft Brexit" option without having had it discussed in Parliament.
Or we could just leave it to Teresa May's god to guide us.
mikeyjh
Well-known member
I think what they're actually saying is that there are 2 different articles (50 & 127) and therefore two different debates and votes regardless of the supreme court decision. Note 'I think'
pastafarian
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God wanted us to leave The EU
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/13988.2.0.0/bible-prophecy-foretold-a-brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...in-good-brexit-deal-britain-rest-union-warns/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-help-old-friend-britain-reach-best-possible/
And for a little bit of balance (spent too much time on the Guardian website), somebody else who thinks the EU should open the dictionary and look up the word "compromise"......the Polish PM says
Whether we manage to complete this arduous task of bringing negotiations to a satisfying result will depend solely on our imagination and leadership. We need a good compromise which gives both our countries the best possible options for economic and security cooperation.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-help-old-friend-britain-reach-best-possible/
And for a little bit of balance (spent too much time on the Guardian website), somebody else who thinks the EU should open the dictionary and look up the word "compromise"......the Polish PM says
Whether we manage to complete this arduous task of bringing negotiations to a satisfying result will depend solely on our imagination and leadership. We need a good compromise which gives both our countries the best possible options for economic and security cooperation.
nicko31
Well-known member
Its becoming increasingly clear why the Brexiteers don't want parliament involved. Still 5-1 on a 2nd referendum, a good reverse hedge if you a leaver
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Our referendum was about leaving the EU.
Do we need another referendum to leave the EEA ?
Keep in mind what is happening in Switzerland, who back in 2014 also had a Referendum, which in their case required their Government to limit EU migration. After more than 2 years in "negotiation" (you might well call it EU intransigence), the Swiss Government have approved legislation which would ....
encourage employers to give them and local Swiss nationals priority for job openings, and to advertise vacancies at local job centres before recruiting from abroad, in particular economic sectors if net immigration went above average levels in other European countries.
Crucially, the plan does not include any fixed limits to EU immigration, and stipulates that specific EU approval would have to be obtained before any such curbs could be imposed.
Well done Switzerland - that's really showing them!
An EU official said.....
“We cannot set a precedent on free movement, especially not now, given the UK situation,” said one EU diplomat. “We can’t have caps or quotas or emergency brakes and single market access. The Swiss have taken a decision and it has certain consequences. They will have to find their own way out.”
Doesn't bode well for our own negotiations. Once again the EU happily sacrifices democracy at a country level on the bonfire of their "fundamental pillars". Small wonder a lot of people don't like the organisation.
encourage employers to give them and local Swiss nationals priority for job openings, and to advertise vacancies at local job centres before recruiting from abroad, in particular economic sectors if net immigration went above average levels in other European countries.
Crucially, the plan does not include any fixed limits to EU immigration, and stipulates that specific EU approval would have to be obtained before any such curbs could be imposed.
Well done Switzerland - that's really showing them!
An EU official said.....
“We cannot set a precedent on free movement, especially not now, given the UK situation,” said one EU diplomat. “We can’t have caps or quotas or emergency brakes and single market access. The Swiss have taken a decision and it has certain consequences. They will have to find their own way out.”
Doesn't bode well for our own negotiations. Once again the EU happily sacrifices democracy at a country level on the bonfire of their "fundamental pillars". Small wonder a lot of people don't like the organisation.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
It was my understanding that membership of the EEA is only available to members of the EU or EFTA. Leaving one of those organisations without joining the other would end membership of the EEA. I am not sure whether EFTA membership is attained by right of compliance with its terms or if other nations have to agree to it.