[Politics] Brexit

[5ways]

Meanwhile..........Net migration at 327000. that's another City the size of Coventry that has just arrived......https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics

Worth pointing out again that, perhaps counter-intuitively, that inward migration is an economic boon and we need migrants to help pay down our massive deficit which is spiralling upwards due to Brexit fallout. You should thank each of those migrants coming here because they're paying IN not taking OUT.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Worth pointing out again that, perhaps counter-intuitively, that inward migration is an economic boon and we need migrants to help pay down our massive deficit which is spiralling upwards due to Brexit fallout. You should thank each of those migrants coming here because they're paying IN not taking OUT.

Good morning 5ways
Yes we do need migration,we are a Island nation and without a certain amount of migration inwards,we would simply not survive..

The Dodo bird was also very thankful one suspects,i digress......if a person leaves this country,they clearly have the money to leave,have taken money out of the country too,perhaps to be replaced by a worker,seeking work,a low rate tax contributor possibly.

As for the massive debt,whist we have been in the EU its 1.9 Trillion......just how?

 

[5ways]

Good morning 5ways
Yes we do need migration,we are a Island nation and without a certain amount of migration inwards,we would simply not survive..

The Dodo bird was also very thankful one suspects,i digress......if a person leaves this country,they clearly have the money to leave,have taken money out of the country too,perhaps to be replaced by a worker,seeking work,a low rate tax contributor possibly.

As for the massive debt,whist we have been in the EU its 1.9 Trillion......just how?

Massive debt caused while being in the EU was a result of the financial crisis, the deepest since the great depression 2008-14. EU had nothing to do with it.

And actually would likely be considerably higher outside of the EU with more restrictive immigration controls.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Because she doesn't measure up to the remain collective. I think tunnel vision is something that could be more aimed at the people who can't accept a result.

A result that was, in law, advisory and a proposal that, in law, has to be ratified by Parliament. She behaves as if she is ignorant of both of those facts.

Don't you worry that if she is unaware of UK due process then her grasp of how the EU works is going to shaky at best?

 

[Soulman]

Almost as unholy an alliance as Gove, Johnson and Farage who between them managed to mobilise the racists, and hoodwink the simple-minded, to just creep over the line for the referendum result.

I have noted your optimism about Britain's post Brexit prospects, so I have to ask, are you in favour of retaining full free access to the single market even if it means free movement of people too?

Its taken a while but your real opinion of Leave voters has sneaked out.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You made me laugh with that JC.

Businesses brush off Brexit shock

Fears of a slowdown in business investment and consumer spending after the Brexit vote were dispelled by official figures yesterday.

In the first estimate of spending by companies since June 23, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said that business investment rose by 0.9 per cent in the three months to the end of September. Economists had expected spending to fall by 1 per cent, believing that companies would defer or cancel investment because of economic uncertainty.

Chris Hare, an economist at the asset manager Investec, said that businesses had “shrugged off the Brexit shock”.

The stronger-than-expected figures helped to boost growth. The ONS confirmed its estimate that the economy grew by 0.5 per cent in the three months to September. One of the biggest drivers continued to be consumer spending, which rose by 0.7 per cent.

Figures from the CBI showed that retail sales volumes grew at their fastest rate in more than a year in the year to November.

Kallum Pickering, senior UK economist at Berenberg bank, said: “Good fundamentals — a strong labour market, rising house prices and improving credit conditions — supported a continued expansion in household spending.”

The pound looked set to have its best run of weekly gains against the euro since early last year as investors switched their focus to the risks facing the eurozone, including rising populist movements in France and Germany before elections next year.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/businesses-brush-off-brexit-shock-0tfc9tjvk

 

[Sorrel]

It will be interesting when something starts happening with this again.

At the moment we've got lots of people picking apart statistics looking for information that backs up their already decided opinion and then groups of older and newer politicians scheming their way trying to help push things in the direction they want.

The people these schemes are trying to influence are to a certain extent the public, but mostly the members of parliament. Will MPs vote the way that their constituents did - an easy win in parliament for the Brexiteers - or will they vote for their previously held opinions on Brexit - an easy win for the Remainers? That's the main battle ahead and it's not certain which way it will go.

 

[studio150]

Businesses brush off Brexit shock

Fears of a slowdown in business investment and consumer spending after the Brexit vote were dispelled by official figures yesterday.

In the first estimate of spending by companies since June 23, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said that business investment rose by 0.9 per cent in the three months to the end of September. Economists had expected spending to fall by 1 per cent, believing that companies would defer or cancel investment because of economic uncertainty.

Chris Hare, an economist at the asset manager Investec, said that businesses had “shrugged off the Brexit shock”.

The stronger-than-expected figures helped to boost growth. The ONS confirmed its estimate that the economy grew by 0.5 per cent in the three months to September. One of the biggest drivers continued to be consumer spending, which rose by 0.7 per cent.

Figures from the CBI showed that retail sales volumes grew at their fastest rate in more than a year in the year to November.

Kallum Pickering, senior UK economist at Berenberg bank, said: “Good fundamentals — a strong labour market, rising house prices and improving credit conditions — supported a continued expansion in household spending.”

The pound looked set to have its best run of weekly gains against the euro since early last year as investors switched their focus to the risks facing the eurozone, including rising populist movements in France and Germany before elections next year.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/businesses-brush-off-brexit-shock-0tfc9tjvk

Please do keep up this has been commented on previously, the decisions to invest would have been made prior to the vote. You need to come bck when the final quarters figures are released

 

[portslade seagull]

Worth pointing out again that, perhaps counter-intuitively, that inward migration is an economic boon and we need migrants to help pay down our massive deficit which is spiralling upwards due to Brexit fallout. You should thank each of those migrants coming here because they're paying IN not taking OUT.

Can you back that up?. I very much doubt it, just another remain assumption with no proof

 

[portslade seagull]

Please do keep up this has been commented on previously, the decisions to invest would have been made prior to the vote. You need to come bck when the final quarters figures are released

You just hate good news. Let it keep coming I say. At least some of us are happy with the news

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Please do keep up this has been commented on previously, the decisions to invest would have been made prior to the vote. You need to come bck when the final quarters figures are released

A vaguely positive Brexit related article in The Times is always worth repeating.

Having now bothered to read back through the numerous pages of debating gold I see the news was arbitrarily dismissed. No surprise there then.

 

[5ways]

Can you back that up?. I very much doubt it, just another remain assumption with no proof

Like most remain 'assumptions' it is evidence based, but it does come from experts and we're all tired of hearing from them.


"Britain's official budget forecasters have been caught up in the rancorous Brexit debate after they predicted the vote to leave the European Union will cause a sharp rise in government borrowing.

The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) said on Wednesday Britain will need to borrow 122 billion pounds more over the next five years than it expected in March, about half of it reflecting the economic impact of June's Brexit vote....

"LOWER MIGRATION: 16 billion pounds

One of Prime Minister Theresa May's stated goals is to reduce the number of immigrants entering Britain after it leaves the EU.

Because immigrants are likely to be of working age, they are net contributors to Britain's public finances. Fewer immigrants will correspondingly reduce tax revenues.

"Depending on the age and skill characteristics of the prevented or deterred migrants, it could also positively or negatively affect the employment rate or productivity growth," the OBR said.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-budget-forecasts-factbox-idUKKBN13J1WT



"The Office for Budget Responsibility accepts the basic point that immigrants tend to improve the country’s finances. A major cut in immigration would mean tax hikes or more spending cuts, the watchdog has said.

This is because migrants tend to be younger and healthier, so they are more likely to be in work and paying taxes and less likely to be retired or to need healthcare.

HMRC recently said that recently arrived EEA nationals paid £3.1bn in income tax and national insurance in 2013/2014. They took out £0.56bn in HMRC benefits."

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-eu-immigration

 

[Billy the Fish]

Please do keep up this has been commented on previously, the decisions to invest would have been made prior to the vote. You need to come bck when the final quarters figures are released

I'm pretty sure that immediately after the vote you and others were saying that investment plans had been cancelled instantly. Now you've changed it to plans made after the vote. When you're proved wrong again in the final quarter you'll kick this particular can down the road to article 50 being invoked. It's all so predictable!

 

[Baldseagull]

vote leave aimed to mobilise the racists
vote leave hoodwinked the simple minded

you are another one who has shown his true colours,
utterly pathetic.....you do a great disservice to genuine remain voters with genuine concerns when you come out with this rubbish
how on earth is anyone supposed to take you seriously with this level of chip on your shoulder

Calm down dear, ads suggesting we would save £350M and spend it on the NHS did not sway sensible people, posters showing Syrian refugees and the words breaking point was aimed purely at racists as there is no way in which leaving the EU will decrease our intake of Syrians, likely to be larger if anything. If the simple minded and racist were not targeted by those ads, who was?

 

[GT49er]

Where are these bilateral deals then? Anything on the table? no?.

Bearing in mind that negotiations can only start after Article 50 has been invoked, no there can't be anything 'on the table'.

Perhaps we could start with a deal with the EU, .

Yes, of course we will negotiate one. Good of you to suggest it though - we probably hadn't thought of that before!

free market for free movement.

No. That's a 'No', with a 'N' and an 'O'. Difficult concept for some remainers it would seem.............

 

[Baldseagull]

Its taken a while but your real opinion of Leave voters has sneaked out.

I have said it before and I will say it again, it is not aimed at you or most of the posters on here, but there are one or two. In a close referendum, they probably made the difference.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

out is out with no single market and restrictions on movement in place, time to tidy the country up !!
regards
DR

 

[Pogue Mahone]

out is out with no single market and restrictions on movement in place, time to tidy the country up !!
regards
DR

As if to prove [MENTION=23343]Baldseagull[/MENTION]s's point...the simple-minded racist has arrived!

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

As if to prove [MENTION=23343]Baldseagull[/MENTION]s's point...the simple-minded racist has arrived!

just because i've said something you don't like # still sulking, LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE CARDS
regards
DR

 

[BigGully]

As if to prove [MENTION=23343]Baldseagull[/MENTION]s's point...the simple-minded racist has arrived!

and which race was he prejudicing against exactly ......