[Politics] Brexit

[Pretty pink fairy]

Only 18% of people think the Tories are doing a good job of negotiating Brexit, 56% think the are doing a bad job.

https://mobile.twitter.com/britainelects/status/799264539170795520

Suprised 18% think they are handling it well, they need their heads looking at.

How many of the 56% voted leave , what's the hold up anyway,harder and faster
regards
DR

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

For those you who have absolute confidence in May and her negotiating position, I assume you will be happy is she comes back having secure the 'Norway' model?

Worst possible outcome and a complete waste of time,further the Conservatives will lose me as a voter and as i have never voted anybody else the only way to go would be UKIP.

 

[portslade seagull]

Only 18% of people think the Tories are doing a good job of negotiating Brexit, 56% think the are doing a bad job.

https://mobile.twitter.com/britainelects/status/799264539170795520

Suprised 18% think they are handling it well, they need their heads looking at.

Is that because she is keeping her cards close to her chest and they don't like it maybe. Think she needs TB to help her play this particular game of poker

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Is that because she is keeping her cards close to her chest and they don't like it maybe. Think she needs TB to help her play this particular game of poker

Probably a lot to do with the clowns she's put in positions of power.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I don't disagree with most of this. Yes, the UK will want access to the single market, complete free movement is almost certainly not going to happen but some limited form might be acceptable. You are probably right about the Customs Union. This seems fairly clear to both of us so why can't the Government discuss this sort of thing? Why the huge resistance to the involvement of Parliament in this process?

I think the Government made a mistake in not triggering Article 50 immediately after the referendum.
Jeremy Corbyn called that one correctly. By not doing so they encouraged those in parliament who want to
scupper the process. I agree that Parliament should be involved but that initial tactical error has caused the Government to be nervous of a situation where parliament attempts to overrule the will of the people on this particular issue.
I think they are making a mistake based on stubbornness as JC has made it clear that the Labour Party will respect the vote.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I don't buy the football match analogy, we need to do a deal with these people, not beat them in to the ground. Complete silence is not the way for us to do a great deal with Europe.

Well yes but a lot of Remainers have been saying for months that the EU will beat us into the ground...Apparently anyone who believes in a two way discussion between equals has an over inflated view of the UK's position in the world.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Probably a lot to do with the clowns she's put in positions of power.

maybe you could lend them a pair of your shoes
regards
DR

 

[pastafarian]

Only 18% of people think the Tories are doing a good job of negotiating Brexit, 56% think the are doing a bad job.

https://mobile.twitter.com/britainelects/status/799264539170795520

Suprised 18% think they are handling it well, they need their heads looking at.

perhaps yougov when asking "how well or badly do you think the government are doing at negotiating Britains exit from the European Union " should have asked people who actually knew article 50 hasnt been invoked and negotiations havnt started........just a thought.

interesting to see in same survey only 14% think we wont actually leave.

 

[pb21]

perhaps yougov when asking "how well or badly do you think the government are doing at negotiating Britains exit from the European Union " should have asked people who actually knew article 50 hasnt been invoked and negotiations havnt started........just a thought.

interesting to see in same survey only 14% think we wont actually leave.

I wonder, as someone adamant that as we voted to leave the EU we voted to leave the single market and that this was made crystal clear prior to the vote, what you think of this?

 

[pastafarian]

I wonder, as someone adamant that as we voted to leave the EU we voted to leave the single market and that this was made crystal clear prior to the vote, what you think of this?

its a load of edited bollocks and no doubt if you played the full interviews you would have more context and not soundbites of a few words.

whoever made it goes on my list of morons who are still unable to tell the difference between "access to" and " membership of" the single market.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

its a load of edited bollocks and no doubt if you played the full interviews you would have more context and not soundbites of a few words.

whoever made it goes on my list of morons who are still unable to tell the difference between "access to" and " membership of" the single market.

It doesn't alter my opinion that not everyone who voted out saw leaving the single market as an inevitable consequence. Certainly Mr. Wetherspoon didn't.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

its a load of edited bollocks and no doubt if you played the full interviews you would have more context and not soundbites of a few words.

whoever made it goes on my list of morons who are still unable to tell the difference between "access to" and " membership of" the single market.

You have just won the prize for attempting to clutch the thinnest blade of straw known to man. Heroic.

 

[pb21]

its a load of edited bollocks and no doubt if you played the full interviews you would have more context and not soundbites of a few words.

whoever made it goes on my list of morons who are still unable to tell the difference between "access to" and " membership of" the single market.

Ha, it's clearly edited, but it also clearly shows the 'Norway model' put forward as as a potential option by prominent Brexiters, I.e being in the EEA.

 

[Baldseagull]

its a load of edited bollocks and no doubt if you played the full interviews you would have more context and not soundbites of a few words.

whoever made it goes on my list of morons who are still unable to tell the difference between "access to" and " membership of" the single market.

Dan Hannan says "to repeat, absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market". I am trying to imagine what further context that sentence could be placed in to make it mean anything other than what it says.

 

[GT49er]

I think the Government made a mistake in not triggering Article 50 immediately after the referendum.
Jeremy Corbyn called that one correctly. By not doing so they encouraged those in parliament who want to
scupper the process. I agree that Parliament should be involved but that initial tactical error has caused the Government to be nervous of a situation where parliament attempts to overrule the will of the people on this particular issue.
I think they are making a mistake based on stubbornness as JC has made it clear that the Labour Party will respect the vote.

Quite agree it should have been triggered by the end of June at the latest. Not sure about Corbyn's ability to deliver though - some of his MPs (most of whom apparently hate him being leader anyway) like Peter Kyle are already threatening to vote to try to overturn the referendum..
In terms of electability, Corbyn is bad enough news for Labour, but if the PLP decide that their opinions matter and the opinions of millions of their supports don't and vote to stop or hinder Brexit, Labour will be f**ked for a generation.

 

[pastafarian]

It doesn't alter my opinion that not everyone who voted out saw leaving the single market as an inevitable consequence. Certainly Mr. Wetherspoon didn't.

Tim Martin favours quitting being members of the single market but trading with it, and doesnt see a downside to trading with it under WTO rules.

 

[pastafarian]

Dan Hannan says "to repeat, absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market". I am trying to imagine what further context that sentence could be placed in to make it mean anything other than what it says.

Then you would need the context of the whole interview, where he clearly outlines leaving being members of the single market, and consequently being free after that to seek our own trade agreements but still trading with it.
This is the key "membership of" and "access to" are not the same thing, they are vastly different.

You have just won the prize for attempting to clutch the thinnest blade of straw known to man. Heroic.

congratulations on being gullible

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Then you would need the context of the whole interview, where he clearly outlines leaving being members of the single market, and consequently being free after that to seek our own trade agreements but still trading with it.
This is the key "membership of" and "access to" are not the same thing, they are vastly different.





congratulations on being gullible

But what is chrystal clear to me is NOT everybody understands that difference and you insist they do.

 

[pastafarian]

But what is chrystal clear to me is NOT everybody understands that difference and you insist they do.

i agree not everyone understands that difference but i have not insisted at all that everyone does understand it . i have been quite critical of the amount of people that dont understand it.

 

[Baldseagull]

Then you would need the context of the whole interview, where he clearly outlines leaving being members of the single market, and consequently being free after that to seek our own trade agreements but still trading with it.
This is the key "membership of" and "access to" are not the same thing, they are vastly different.





congratulations on being gullible

Membership of, or access to, both involve allowing free movement of people as well. In the full interview you kindly provided, Dan Hannan mentions Iceland, Norway and Switzerland.

For absolute clarity, access to, does not mean selling and buying on WTO terms, or any other negotiated set of tariffs, it means having no customs clearance, no import or export duties and no blocks of any kind on our exports or imports with the EU. If you think otherwise then it is you that fails to understand what Dan Hannan was saying.

If you accept that access to the single market will require free movement of people as well, can you now see that access is very much threatened by those insisting that leaving the EU must give us control of immigration?