[Politics] Brexit

[JC Footy Genius]

9th phone call after Australia, South Korea,,,,,, just shows how unimportant the UK is to the USA

But usually the first call they make when it comes to real issues like forging military/diplomatic/security alliances ,,,, just shows how important the UK is to the USA.

 

[studio150]

But usually the first call they make when it comes to real issues like forging military/diplomatic/security alliances ,,,, just shows how important the UK is to the USA.

Or how important Tony Blair was to them in supporting the hunt for WMDs in Iraq

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Or how important Tony Blair was to them in supporting the hunt for WMDs in Iraq

One example that reinforces my point.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

It's got nothing to do with education. I didn't learn literacy at school. I went to King's Manor in Shoreham, a school that was listed as a "failing school" by the Education Secretary while I was there. The school had a record of less than 30% of students achieving 5 GCSEs year after year. In 2007, just before that school was shut down and reborn as Shoreham Academy, only 23% achieved those 5 GCSEs.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_Manor_Community_College

My school was shit and I learned **** all there. My literacy comes from a passion for reading books. Which you can pick up in any public library for free.

It has everything to do with education. In your case from your self motivation and ability to
improve yourself. There are numerous factors that prevent others from doing similar, such as different learning styles (e.g. dyslexia), lack of
confidence, social and family issues. If someone cannot develop literacy skills it does not mean their views are any less valid. The cornerstone of our society is respect for other people and it is not for you to make judgement when you don't know someone's personal history. A lot of people achieve an enormous amount in their lives given their backgrounds.
Just think about the implications of your condemnation of people's views because of their lack of literacy. Who would set the bar above which views should be respected ? I'm pleased we don't live in that sort of society although there is always a sharp increase in this type of intellectual intolerance when people cant cope with losing an important election.
I have heard interesting and insightful views expressed non eloquently. They are no less valid than your views.

 

[Mental Lental]

There are numerous factors that prevent others from doing similar, such as different learning styles (e.g. dyslexia), lack of
confidence, social and family issues. If someone cannot develop literacy skills it does not mean their views are any less valid.

You've obviously met people who have very genuine reasons for being illiterate in your line of work. I would suggest however that these cases are in the minority when looking at reasons why a person may not be able to read and write. While I concede that you may be right that I shouldn't assume a person is stupid because of the inability to read and write properly, I would also suggest that there are also swathes of illiterates out there whose language skills are as such due to being lazy and a bit stupid. I suspect that your "special cases" are in a vast minority to the genuinely thick and would apologise to any of these types of people should I tar them with the same brush.

 

[smeg]

It's got nothing to do with education. I didn't learn literacy at school. I went to King's Manor in Shoreham, a school that was listed as a "failing school" by the Education Secretary while I was there. The school had a record of less than 30% of students achieving 5 GCSEs year after year. In 2007, just before that school was shut down and reborn as Shoreham Academy, only 23% achieved those 5 GCSEs.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_Manor_Community_College

My school was shit and I learned **** all there. My literacy comes from a passion for reading books. Which you can pick up in any public library for free.

I'm in a similar boat, I went to the Knoll where education was not even a priority for the teachers but I've self improved by pushing myself. Still left school with no 'O' levels, obviously no 'A' levels and didn't know anyone who went to university.

 

[El Presidente]

no 'A' levels

Try a night out in Doncaster. For a couple of Bacardi Breezers and a bag of chips the local lasses will let you get your 'A' levels. I'd double bag it though.

 

[beorhthelm]

9th phone call after Australia, South Korea,,,,,, just shows how unimportant the UK is to the USA

dont know why you think this is significant, whats the list of the countries before? appaently South Korea, Japan, Egypt, Australia, India, Turkey, Israel and Mexico (according to Sky). looks like a pretty random bunch, and ahead of another 130 countries (some of which wont even get a call). the content of that call would probably be more significant, which was apparently cordial.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Never stops talking the country down so wouldn't be surprised

[MENTION=20527]studio150[/MENTION] does nothing of the sort; he merely has a different view to you and doesn't blindly and arbitrarily back something purely because it's British. Yours is a tired and lazy response.

 

[yxee]

You've obviously met people who have very genuine reasons for being illiterate in your line of work. I would suggest however that these cases are in the minority when looking at reasons why a person may not be able to read and write. While I concede that you may be right that I shouldn't assume a person is stupid because of the inability to read and write properly, I would also suggest that there are also swathes of illiterates out there whose language skills are as such due to being lazy and a bit stupid. I suspect that your "special cases" are in a vast minority to the genuinely thick and would apologise to any of these types of people should I tar them with the same brush.

I don't agree with this, and in fact there's another side you're not considering.

Just because someone *can* read and write well, what's to say their opinion is superior? They may have had different life experiences or different understanding of the world, no more valuable than anyone elses.

We love in an age of specialisation. Someone who is in your opinion"unintelligent" can make a living in a million different ways. And there is no such thing as"unskilled" labour. Everyone's opinion if valid, full stop.

You simply cannot pick and choose who gets a say in politics without loosing the fundamental strength of democracy. It's a very slippery slope...

 

[Simster]

dont know why you think this is significant, whats the list of the countries before? appaently South Korea, Japan, Egypt, Australia, India, Turkey, Israel and Mexico (according to Sky). looks like a pretty random bunch, and ahead of another 130 countries (some of which wont even get a call). the content of that call would probably be more significant, which was apparently cordial.

In itself, it's not important at all. But I think it shows just how much Trump values this "special relationship". It means pretty much nothing, economically. However, I'm sure he'll remember who we are next time he needs support in an illegal war unsanctioned by the UN.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

You've obviously met people who have very genuine reasons for being illiterate in your line of work. I would suggest however that these cases are in the minority when looking at reasons why a person may not be able to read and write. While I concede that you may be right that I shouldn't assume a person is stupid because of the inability to read and write properly, I would also suggest that there are also swathes of illiterates out there whose language skills are as such due to being lazy and a bit stupid. I suspect that your "special cases" are in a vast minority to the genuinely thick and would apologise to any of these types of people should I tar them with the same brush.

I don't know if what you say is true or not. I just think it's better to avoid making a judgement. There are many different talents
and the ability to form a Gramattically correct sentence is just one amongst many. Incidentally, I also have a lot of respect for people such as yourself who have pushed yourself to achieve. Nice to chat with you.

 

[Mental Lental]

I don't know if what you say is true or not. I just think it's better to avoid making a judgement. There are many different talents
and the ability to form a Gramattically correct sentence is just one amongst many. Incidentally, I also have a lot of respect for people such as yourself who have pushed yourself to achieve. Nice to chat with you.

Likewise.

 

[Steve in Japan]

Likewise.

Obviously neither of you have read the Rules of Engagement on NSC?

 

[smeg]

Obviously neither of you have read the Rules of Engagement on NSC?

 

[studio150]

One example that reinforces my point.

Or you could view it as Blair is the puppet and America as the Puppet Master and the UK is happy as a Woodentop dancing to whatever tune is played

 

[pb21]

So it seems the Government are going to argue that once invoked, Article 50 can be reversed, and on that basis invoking Article 50 doesn't require an act of Parliament.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ould-be-reversed-government-lawyers-may-argue

Seems odd, its the first I have heard it can be revoked, we have been told all along that it can't? Will be interesting to see what the Supreme Court decides...

 

[portslade seagull]

[MENTION=20527]studio150[/MENTION] does nothing of the sort; he merely has a different view to you and doesn't blindly and arbitrarily back something purely because it's British. Yours is a tired and lazy response.

Pot Kettle Black springs to mind

 

[beorhthelm]

So it seems the Government are going to argue that once invoked, Article 50 can be reversed, and on that basis invoking Article 50 doesn't require an act of Parliament.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ould-be-reversed-government-lawyers-may-argue

Seems odd, its the first I have heard it can be revoked, we have been told all along that it can't? Will be interesting to see what the Supreme Court decides...

erm.... rather down to Europeans view on that isnt it? its been suggested that it might be reversed, on the grounds that if the end of the negotiations are not agreeable you just forget about the past two years. and if this is possible, then the EU best position would be to obstruct any meaningfull negotiation. daft angle to take.

 

[pb21]

erm.... rather down to Europeans view on that isnt it? its been suggested that it might be reversed, on the grounds that if the end of the negotiations are not agreeable you just forget about the past two years. and if this is possible, then the EU best position would be to obstruct any meaningfull negotiation. daft angle to take.

Also, I was under the impression that if nothing agreed after 2 years then default WTO tariffs come in.

But if this is accepted can you imagine the carnage if, after two years nothing is agreed, parliament will have to be involved eventually, and we go back to square one?

It's just typical government policy (particularly tory governments IMO) of attempting to kick the ball into the long grass!