[Politics] Brexit

[Pretty pink fairy]

Oh dear, you really are that person aren't you. Loathsome little man. I don't think we have anything else to say to each other.

give it up it's not remotely funny anymore , it's all going ahead in March NEXT YEAR take a deep breath
regards
DR

 

[ManOfSussex]

I wonder exactly who does read the Guardian then... because many socialists on this site besmirch anything right of centre by conviction, but also do not read the bastion of socialism in this land of ours.... beano?

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I read The Times.

In fairness to The Guardian, I read an interview after the referendum, I think in The Times, in which Arron Banks himself stated he read The Guardian in the build up to the referendum as his paper of choice, as it was far more balanced than any other.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Wouldn't that be racist or something?... you can't judge people on where they come from ... surely?.... what would The Guardian have to say..?. you had better hold fire until it offers official guidance.

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Oh FFS...to mention where Gina Miller was born as they do, making it clear that to them she is not 'one of us', whilst not mentioning the birthplace of Johnson is double standards. Of course you should not judge a person by where they come from - but they do, repeatedly...when it suits.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It always starts earlier in the construction industry , started October 2007 FYI.

I would not know.....construction is way too dusty and dirty for me. And I'd get hard skin on my hands. And my McQueen would get ****ed.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Oh FFS...to mention where Gina Miller was born as they do, making it clear that to them she is not 'one of us', whilst not mentioning the birthplace of Johnson is double standards. Of course you should not judge a person by where they come from - but they do, repeatedly...when it suits.

Furthermore she was born a British subject, as Guyana was a Crown Colony then, which they also fail to mention.

 

[Hastings gull]

As The Clamp said,

Personally...The pound has nose-dived, making it much more expensive when travelling in mainland Europe, where I spend a lot of time. Spending time in Europe will be increasingly difficult when freedom of movement is more limited. My son's ambition to go to University in Berlin has been scuppered. My children's future prospects have been severely curtailed, their rights to live and work in Europe will not be what they have been. My pension will be worth substantially less. My employment rights will be stripped right back. Friends and colleagues have been racially abused.

Globally...what I believed to be an open, warm, inclusive country has been shown to be largely nationalistic, isolationist and suspicious. There has been a seismic split of the populace, and this looks likely to become ever more entrenched. Racist rhetoric has become an acceptable tactic of the mainstream media, racist attacks have increased, the general atmosphere is one of distrust and anger. Withdrawal from the single market and customs union can only lead to financial depression.

We lost in the play offs.

David Bowie, Prince, Gene Wilder, Muhammad Ali and Ronnie Corbett have died.

Now watch Trump win the US election.[/QUOTE

Not sure how seismic split can be put together with largely, but I will excuse this little contradiction, as you were so determined to be negative with all sorts of sweeping statements. You forgot famine, war, pestilence, and natural disasters.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

there are plenty of shit holes in France believe me,they don't all live in big stone houses,quite the opposite,many cities are crammed with tower block flats,places you would not want to visit

myself,I was at the Norwich game and I certainly know where I'd rather have been

Of course there are shit holes in France. There are shit holes everywhere. I tend to head for the areas that I like.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Not sure how seismic split can be put together with largely, but I will excuse this little contradiction, as you were so determined to be negative with all sorts of sweeping statements. You forgot famine, war, pestilence, and natural disasters.

There is a large proportion of the population who have proved themselves nationalistic and isolationist, there has been a seismic split between them and those who wish to remain inclusive and global - also a large proportion.

Clear now?

And I am not happy to be negative. My negativity about the results of the Brexit vote is not about being determined to be negative. It is in response to what has happened and what I think is going to happen next.

I see no positives to Brexit. None at all.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

there is a large proportion of the population who have proved themselves nationalistic and isolationist, there has been a seismic split between them and those who wish to remain inclusive and global - also a large proportion.

Clear now?

And i am not happy to be negative. My negativity about the results of the brexit vote is not about being determined to be negative. It is in response to what has happened and what i think is going to happen next.

I see no positives to brexit. None at all.

you might when it happens i find your type weak and the type who generally like putting OUR country down unless we have the EU to hold our hand
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Of course there are shit holes in France. There are shit holes everywhere. I tend to head for the areas that I like.

HAVE YOU ESCAPED FROM THE CALAIS JUNGLE
regards
DR

 

[Pogue Mahone]

you might when it happens i find your type weak and the type who generally like putting OUR country down unless we have the EU to hold our hand
regards
DR

Like I care what you think.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Like I care what you think.

ditto , ANOTHER ONE WITH HIS HEAD IN THE SAND
regards
DR

 

[heathgate]

There is a large proportion of the population who have proved themselves nationalistic and isolationist, there has been a seismic split between them and those who wish to remain inclusive and global - also a large proportion.

Clear now?

And I am not happy to be negative. My negativity about the results of the Brexit vote is not about being determined to be negative. It is in response to what has happened and what I think is going to happen next.

I see no positives to Brexit. None at all.

I am not challenging your right to be negative about Brexit, though of course how you can be so sure of outcomes when nothing has happened yet, save for some market speculations which are normal and can at times be affected by whether Mark carney is on or going on holiday, run on rumour and counter rumour. I laugh loudly at this continual suggestion though, that as soon as we do Brexit, you wont be able to travel to any other EU country for holiday, study or work. You do realise already this nation, and most of the EU top table nations, are awash with people visiting from non-eu nations, whether for work or play,... why is that going to be any different after Brexit for us? Do you holiday in the West Indies? Canada, USA, .... in fact we all do, they are accessible,.. I think the only barriers to any of this type of future activity, is simply in the vivid Guardian/student union driven imagination of the remainers.

If the younger generation were that effin concerned about their futures, how come only about 30% of 18-24's bothered to vote? and in fact 25% of those voted leave anyway.

 

[spring hall convert]

If the younger generation were that effin concerned about their futures, how come only about 30% of 18-24's bothered to vote? and in fact 25% of those voted leave anyway.

Perhaps they were bored shitless by a campaign that demonstrated in 6 excruciating weeks, everything that is wrong with politics in this country. Both sides.

Perhaps they realised they were being lied to. Both sides.

Perhaps they are so utterly dejected with the state of our elected representitives in general they've totally disengaged.

Whatever, that number more than anything else in this shitheap is ****ing depressing.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

you might when it happens i find your type weak and the type who generally like putting OUR country down unless we have the EU to hold our hand
regards
DR

This is an absolutely bullshit standpoint - the nationalistic crap, that Remain voters have less pride in our country and like 'putting it down'.

We were the ones who were reasonably content, remember. It is you guys who created the self-fulfilling prophecy that everything is shit.

 

[BBassic]

you might when it happens i find your type weak and the type who generally like putting OUR country down unless we have the EU to hold our hand
regards
DR

I've said this before but, whilst I love being English and I love this ridiculous little island I've grown up on, I do find rampant patriotism to be utterly unfounded.

I am English simply because the womb I congealed in happened to be attached to a woman living in Sussex rather than Syria. It's a complete crap shoot.

I personally find those that cling to ridiculous ideas like nationalism to be pretty weak. Go larger, go global. It's a big planet, embrace it.

 

[spring hall convert]

This is an absolutely bullshit standpoint - the nationalistic crap, that Remain voters have less pride in our country and like 'putting it down'.

We were the ones who were reasonably content, remember. It is you guys who created the self-fulfilling prophecy that everything is shit.

Seriously don't bother. It's fundamentally evident from this thread that he voted leave on some two-fingers to this, wind up with absolutely no comprehension of what he was actually doing. That's if he did even vote. Don't feed the troll.

 

[heathgate]

Whatever, that number more than anything else in this shitheap is ****ing depressing.

It was a surprise to me too,... especially as it was this age group who were so vitriolic after about the "older generation giving away their futures"

That's why there is a cry to have a 2nd referendum,.. this time they wont have their heads stuck in their phones and dope bongs, "shit, we had better act like grownups and walk the walk instead of just shouting at everyone that they owe them a living, and its all someone elses fault"

I don't want that, I am happy at the outcome, but for the remainers to bleat about uninformed Brexiters being the cause of all their angst, is just bloody rich.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I've said this before but, whilst I love being English and I love this ridiculous little island I've grown up on, I do find rampant patriotism to be utterly unfounded.

I am English simply because the womb I congealed in happened to be attached to a woman living in Sussex rather than Syria. It's a complete crap shoot.

I personally find those that cling to ridiculous ideas like nationalism to be pretty weak. Go larger, go global. It's a big planet, embrace it.

we will be leaving the EU
regards
DR

 

[Hastings gull]

Like I care what you think.

Yet in an earlier post you talk of the value of inclusivity . . As ever, it is for everybody else.