[Politics] Brexit

[beorhthelm]

Think an election could be possible, pretty sure by Tory MP would lose to the Libs tomorrow.

Bring on the Labour, Lib, SNP grand coalition..

is there something in the water causing mass hysteria and delusions?

 

[pastafarian]

Bring on the Labour, Lib, SNP grand coalition..

what no Greens?

 

[BBassic]

I see May is still adamant that she'll be triggering by March. Is that because she's certain the Supreme Court will rule in her favour?

 

[pb21]

Seems a lot of Brexit folk are needlessly waking up in wet beds; the UK is still leaving the EU.

All this means is that the way it happens has to be approved by parliament, surely a good thing?

The only people who should be worried by this are the Tory party.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Think an election could be possible, pretty sure by Tory MP would lose to the Libs tomorrow.

Bring on the Labour, Lib, SNP grand coalition..

Interesting idea although it does sound a bit EU obsessive rather in the manner of the fringe of Leave moaners over the past 40 odd years. Your idea of Labour allying with a nationalist party that wants to break up the U.K. does rather illustrate the obsession.Personally I wouldn't vote for any nationalist party whether it be UKIP or the SNP in a coalition. Just shows how intrinsically right wing the Remain camp is becoming, relying as it does on HIgh Court judges and nationalists to protect its capitalist agenda.

 

[pastafarian]

It will also, very dangerously fuel right wing politics. People haven't liked UKIP for sometimes overstepping the mark, but this decision could potentially set a course to unleash white extremism in this country. So far, the UK has fared very well compared to France and Germany where far more divisive politicians have flourished. If there is the perception that a democratic vote has been ignored, then I am pessimistic about the ramifications.

It could certainly fuel a backlash toward UKIP thats for certain, not sure the UK would go down the route of white extremist right wingers though, its a big problem in Europe thats for certain, but we are not Europeans in that sense and find their liking of such groups as a bit daft.........probably something to do with being normal and living on an island

 

[pastafarian]

Seems a lot of Brexit folk are needlessly waking up in wet beds; the UK is still leaving the EU.

All this means is that the way it happens has to be approved by parliament, surely a good thing?

The only people who should be worried by this are the Tory party.

you are right we are still leaving

i think the brexiters realise full well it changes nothing, the only bed wetting going on is by the remoaners who are waking up to the fact it doesnt mean stopping leaving the EU

 

[JCL666]

Corrupt? No, probably not, just proving (as has been done so many times) that the law is an ass, and cannot apply common sense.

"M'lords, you have before you a very rich woman who doesn't like the result of the referendum who feels she personally may suffer some financial discomfort as a result. She has a whole team of top barristers, many of whom will be personally known to you. She would like you to put a spanner in the works of the democratic referendum and rule that 17.4 million votes don't count (after all, m'lud, they're not the votes of (rich) people like us.)"

Common sense answer? "P*** off!"

Judges answer? "OK, let's have a look then, see if we can find a loophole, and uphold the self-importance of the judiciary."

Utter nonsense.

It doesn't matter who you are and what your purpose is, the law is interpreted objectively and applied impartially regardless. Just because it's not what you want to hear doesn't change that.

It's getting boring repeating this but..... The blame lies with the government who put the referendum to the people and did not ensure that people were aware of it's implications. It really doesn't matter what you, me or anyone else thought was inferred by it.

The court today did nothing more than enforce the process that our democracy requires.

All over the internet and in the media today there are examples of how people don't understand how our democracy works or don't even understand that democracy has many different flavours. Rather than shout "Our vote means nothing", people would be better off reading a couple of wikipedia pages on OUR democracy.

 

[drew]

The ironic thing is that this decision actually makes the country more unstable. Something the remainers have accused us leavers of by our choice to vote leave. Doesn't seem to bother the remainers so much now strangely.

Actually the irony is that the very thing that many Brexiters wanted, ie returning decision making to our Parliament is exactly what the judges have delivered!!!

 

[drew]

Utter nonsense.

It doesn't matter who you are and what your purpose is, the law is interpreted objectively and applied impartially regardless. Just because it's not what you want to hear doesn't change that.

It's getting boring repeating this but..... The blame lies with the government who put the referendum to the people and did not ensure that people were aware of it's implications. It really doesn't matter what you, me or anyone else thought was inferred by it.

The court today did nothing more than enforce the process that our democracy requires.

All over the internet and in the media today there are examples of how people don't understand how our democracy works or don't even understand that democracy has many different flavours. Rather than shout "Our vote means nothing", people would be better off reading a couple of wikipedia pages on OUR democracy.

Had more people done a bit of research in the first place rather than believe a load of billboards on the sides of buses we might not have been in this mess in the first place. C'est la vie!

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Seems a lot of Brexit folk are needlessly waking up in wet beds; the UK is still leaving the EU.

All this means is that the way it happens has to be approved by parliament, surely a good thing?

The only people who should be worried by this are the Tory party.

Indeed. Would you mind pointing that out to those remainers on this thread celebrating because they think it means we're staying. We're not - we WILL leave the EU.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Seems a lot of Brexit folk are needlessly waking up in wet beds; the UK is still leaving the EU.

All this means is that the way it happens has to be approved by parliament, surely a good thing?

The only people who should be worried by this are the Tory party.

Quite. The referendum asked the question whether we should have a future in the EU, a simple question with a close but clear result. The next questions are what that future should look like and how we get there. The answer to these will determine the development of this country for generations to come and they are questions that the initial referendum was never designed to answer. It seems so obvious that there should be democratic scrutiny of the process by which they are answered. The only real risk of the whole process being halted is if the government is unable to show that it has a credible plan because, if it doesn't, many MPs may feel that their obligation to not knowingly put the country in danger over-rides their moral obligation to honour the plebiscite. I don't really know why Brexit supporters are getting so wound up as surely they have an interest in getting the kind of post-EU future that they want which might not happen if this collection of politicians heads for a bunker to sort things out. I have been a staunch remainer but I, and many I know, have moved on from the 'whether' question to the 'what and how' and we have as much a right to have a say in the process as anybody and the route that is usually expressed is via the parliamentary democracy process.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Had more people done a bit of research in the first place rather than believe a load of billboards on the sides of buses we might not have been in this mess in the first place. C'est la vie!

Maybe if CMD and his chimpanzee of a chancellor hadn't painted that the world would end if it was an exit vote then people might actually listened to their argument for staying. As it was many saw through their lies and voted against them BECAUSE they lied.

 

[pastafarian]

It's getting boring repeating this but..... The blame lies with the government who put the referendum to the people and did not ensure that people were aware of it's implications. It really doesn't matter what you, me or anyone else thought was inferred by it.
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spooky....i was aware the implication of voting leaving The EU in an IN or OUT referendum would result in us leaving the EU if the leave vote won........what else was inferred by leaving or remain?.........it was leave or remain...........surprised so many remainers now saying they didnt know the options.

 

[vegster]

Great fun seeing the headlines on the front pages this morning, the Mail, Express and Sun have really spat their dummys.....hilarious overreaction !

 

[daveinprague]

Great fun seeing the headlines on the front pages this morning, the Mail, Express and Sun have really spat their dummys.....hilarious overreaction !

but as we have heard here, there are no brexiters worried at all. Have seen it posted several times over the last few hours

 

[BigGully]

Actually the irony is that the very thing that many Brexiters wanted, ie returning decision making to our Parliament is exactly what the judges have delivered!!!

Conversely you as a Remainer didnt, so I presume you are incandscent with rage on this, but you seem to have become distinctly constitutional, so logically you just want your own way however it is delivered, a typical Remainer.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

spooky....i was aware the implication of voting leaving The EU in an IN or OUT referendum would result in us leaving the EU if the leave vote won........what else was inferred by leaving or remain?.........it was leave or remain...........surprised so many remainers now saying they didnt know the options.

It was clear about what we were leaving, it was never clear about where we were going ..determining that is the stage we are at now and UKIP supporters will have a very different view of what that looks like than someone from Exit Left,.

 

[drew]

Maybe if CMD and his chimpanzee of a chancellor hadn't painted that the world would end if it was an exit vote then people might actually listened to their argument for staying. As it was many saw through their lies and voted against them BECAUSE they lied.

That makes no sense because you voted for the leave campaign which told even bigger lies!

 

[pastafarian]

Great fun seeing the headlines on the front pages this morning, the Mail, Express and Sun have really spat their dummys.....hilarious overreaction !

agreed
they should focus on how this will simply delay the inevitable and just cause prolonged uncertainty in the markets. We need to push on and get negotiations finalised. Lets hope parliament will agree a swift agreement to invoke article 50 and get the timeline back on track to invoking it by the end of march