[Politics] Brexit

[Simster]

I didnt hear you once murmur anything about the idiocy of the referendum prior to its result, you are just pi**ing in the wind, why because you lost and it hurts you, thats the arrogance.

That's right, because I didn't see this result coming at all and if you want to trawl through my posts, you'll see that was all I was saying on the matter. And regardless of what you think, we ARE a parliamentary democracy and that's how things are done here.

 

[lawros left foot]

if people voted in GE in the same pattern as they did for the referendum, under FPTP it would be a UKIP victory, with majority seats returning a kipper. but of course people vote on a range of issues and for their traditional party in GE, thats why they wont get many seats not the FPTP system.

Who's turn is it to be UKIP leader this week?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

We have 2 years to prepare. You don't just U-turn on a democratic vote because it doesn't suit certain people.

Exactly.

 

[scamander]

The role of the MP is not to represent the wishes of his constituency but to review legislation and to represent local interests in Parliament at Westminster. In the House of Commons, MPs scrutinise legislation, attend debates and committees, and generally protect, advocate and promote the interests of their constituency at a national level. An MP represents all of their constituency whether they voted for that MP or not or for that matter whether constituents voted leave/or remain! Given that, if MP's consider leaving the EU is against the national interest and against the interests of all their constituents then that is their call. That is why we vote for them that is how our British system of government works.

Thanks for the response - do you not feel that representing the views of the constituency forms part of

to represent local interests in Parliament at Westminster

?

 

[mikeyjh]

I'm not sure any of this is going to end well. I'm a staunch remainer, but, if MPs vote not to trigger Article 50, there will surely be one hell of a mess - UKIP government anyone?

Surely they have to vote to delay it, until someone other than Nissan actually have some idea about how it's going to work!

 

[alfredmizen]

Neither party should have promised a referendum - that's not how decisions are made in a parliamentary democracy, and that campaign showed exactly why not. Lies and mistruths on both sides, it was a farce. What's more, nobody really knows what Brexit they were voting for. And then there is the glossed over issue where an ill-informed snap-shot of the electorate gets to make decisions that will affect the country for half a century. That just doesn't seem right, especially where there is such an even split among the popular vote.

Fair enough points but the amount of hypocrisy amongst remainders is astounding , you cannot seriously tell me you'd be acting this way had the vote gone your way,

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The vote was on whether we leave the EU or to remain in it. Leave won and should be respected as such. Not sure what you find so difficult to understand about that?

Basically the High Court is saying that was an opinion poll, not a legally binding vote. Parliament now has to vote on whether we actually leave or not. We wanted Parliamentary sovereignty, so now let them get on with it.
Lobby your MP.

 

[Easy 10]

So lets get this straight.

Parliament voted in favour of putting the question of leaving the EU to a referendum
The result of that referendum was to leave the EU
But we can't even start the process of leaving the EU unless Parliament votes in favour of leaving the EU

What a waste of fvcking time that was then.

 

[beorhthelm]

Who's turn is it to be UKIP leader this week?

think it defaults to Farage because they haven't anyone else. PM Farage. a slightly less scary thought than Corbyn.

 

[mothy]

If the supreme court overturn this. Where do we go next?

Maybe the European court of justice!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I'm not sure any of this is going to end well. I'm a staunch remainer, but, if MPs vote not to trigger Article 50, there will surely be one hell of a mess - UKIP government anyone?

I don't think UKIP will form a government even if Brexit didn't happen but I think that the right wing of British politics will MASSIVELY increase and I find that very worrying.

 

[Hamilton]

Perhaps May is heading for a Hard Parliexit.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

David *******g Cameron, no PM can have left such an awful legacy,

What about Tony Blair. Many of the world's current problems are attributable to him and his labour party.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Who's turn is it to be UKIP leader this week?

Let's hope it's Suzanne Evans. She appears to be suitably stupid.

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https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/about-...nstitution/jud-acc-ind/judges-and-parliament/

Both Houses of Parliament have the power to petition The Queen for the removal of a judge of the High Court or the Court of Appeal.

 

[jaghebby]

Thanks for the response - do you not feel that representing the views of the constituency forms part of
?

Yes they can take those view into account but the majority of the electorate, those that voted remain and those that did'nt vote still have interests that can't be ignored. So it is perfectly legitimate for that MP to carefully scrutinise what is proposed and if they feel its not in the interests of the majority of their constituents then they can take a differing view and make their judgement on that.

 

[JCL666]

Some people need to go away and read about democracy and how it works in real life.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Basically the High Court is saying that was an opinion poll, not a legally binding vote. Parliament now has to vote on whether we actually leave or not. We wanted Parliamentary sovereignty, so now let them get on with it.
Lobby your MP.

No, the High Court has said that Brexit is subject to parliamentary scrutiny. That means that in some form, parliament will vote on the direction the government wants to take Brexit. I think.

 

[Simster]

Fair enough points but the amount of hypocrisy amongst remainders is astounding , you cannot seriously tell me you'd be acting this way had the vote gone your way,

I'm not even going to try!

 

[JCL666]

No, the High Court has said that Brexit is subject to parliamentary scrutiny. That means that in some form, parliament will vote on the direction the government wants to take Brexit. I think.

I've lifted this from the BBC.

But the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd, declared: "The government does not have power under the Crown's prerogative to give notice pursuant to Article 50 for the UK to withdraw from the European Union."
The three judges looking at the case found there was no constitutional convention of the royal prerogative - powers used by ministers - being used in legislation relating to the EU.
They added that triggering Article 50 would fundamentally change UK people's rights - and that the government cannot change or do away with rights under UK law unless Parliament gives it authority to do so.


In simple terms I think it just says that the government can't enact Article 50 and that Parliament has to say it's ok.

 

[BigGully]

Some people need to go away and read about democracy and how it works in real life.

If only your post pre dated 23rd June 2016, but alas .................