[Politics] Brexit - Deal we have or Rejoin CU/SM

[WATFORD zero]

The thread for discussion is here The Brexit thread as always. But it was pointed out that we haven't had a poll for 7 years, and what with it being summer. No fence sitting

 

[sparkie]

The country is screwed until we join the Single Market again.

 

[Creaky]

The country is screwed until we join the Single Market again.

Rejoining in the long term is imo the way to go.

However the country is not in any state to survive another long period of uncertainty nor to get the best possible deal for any application to rejoin.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

With things going so swimmingly at the moment, why would we do anything to put all that at risk?

 

[Is it PotG?]

Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[southstandandy]

It's been a complete cock up from start to finish. I honestly can't think of one thing that has improved my life since. I could name numerous things that have had a detrimental effect to things I've ordered, posted, places travelled to, prices of certain goods increasing, that sincerely piss me off.

I won't go on - as they say 'You learn by your mistakes', and this IMO was a pretty monumental one.

 

[The Clamp]

People have actually voted to carry on with the deal we have?

This is working okay for some people is it? This festival of disaster? This utter shambles is agreeable to some?

Colour me shocked.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Hit wrong choice.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Absolutely we should rejoin the single market in some form. Shame none of our current crop of politicians, who have a chance of gaining power, have the balls to put it in a manifesto.

 

[rogersix]

Rome wasn't built in a day.

it would've been, if everyone joined in

 

[The Clamp]

it would've been, if everyone joined in

If they’d just believed harder.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Absolutely we should rejoin the single market in some form. Shame none of our current crop of politicians, who have a chance of gaining power, have the balls to put it in a manifesto.

True, but on the other hand the last thing we need is another election defined by voter's opinion of the EU - because it ends up being at the expense of everything else.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Rome wasn't built in a day.

It fell in pretty much a day though...

 

[WATFORD zero]

Hit wrong choice.

There's a change vote option for just such an eventuality

 

[KZNSeagull]

True, but on the other hand the last thing we need is another election defined by voter's opinion of the EU - because it ends up being at the expense of everything else.

It is not an opinion on the EU though. The two things (EU and the Single Market) have always been conflated but they shouldn't be.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It is not an opinion on the EU though. The two things (EU and the Single Market) have always been conflated but they shouldn't be.

They shouldn't be, but we'd be in the SM if they weren't.

 

[KZNSeagull]

They shouldn't be, but we'd be in the SM if they weren't.

Indeed

 

[A1X]

Ultimately the Single Market (with or without Customs Union) will happen, it's a geopolitical inevitablity. Every country in the world trades first and foremost with those nearest to it, and in the most frictionless way t can find. We're no exception to that rule. It'll take a couple of cycles for the poison of Brexit to be flushed away fully, but I expect SM membership to be in at least one of the serious manifestos come the election after the upcoming one.

 

[FatSuperman]

For the BREXIT campaign and decision, and the COVID PPE scandal - I would like a full investigation into who in the political spectrum profited from the decision / situation, I want the full weight of our investigative powers to be applied. And then I want convictions for those who made this happen. If now laws were broken, I want the laws to be retrospectively changed so the guilty parties can be incarcerated. Exactly like when they changed the law to make all those people using 'tax efficient' schemes illegal in retrospect. Live by the sword and all that.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Ultimately the Single Market (with or without Customs Union) will happen, it's a geopolitical inevitablity. Every country in the world trades first and foremost with those nearest to it, and in the most frictionless way t can find. We're no exception to that rule. It'll take a couple of cycles for the poison of Brexit to be flushed away fully, but I expect SM membership to be in at least one of the serious manifestos come the election after the upcoming one.

They should, but I doubt they will as they know it will go down badly in some areas.

Plays into Reform/Tories hands.