Boris Johnson to hold press conference at 4pm

[Bozza]

I don’t disagree with much/any of that. Boris is a libertarian and his instincts differ from yours and mine. I suppose I am just pointing out that had he put us into full lockdown in early December and cancelled Christmas then the anti Tory narrative would now instead be that Boris doesn’t care about people’s livelihoods and the rich can simply slink off to their holiday homes, leaving the poor isolated and without income. It is so predictable that even I can write the script and I am heartily sick of modern politics with its point scoring and people backing positions, like football teams, because of the colour of the rosette (I am not saying that is what you are doing). that).

He is though.

 

[WATFORD zero]

His plan?

It was the plan of all four UK governments, two of which have the same level of fondness of Boris Johnson that you do.

Where is your condemnation of the incompetence of Sturgeon, Drakeford and Foster?

I don't know of the details, because I haven't been paying attention to their rules, but didn't Scotland and Wales introduced different rules for Xmas last Wednesday ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55330561

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/drakeford-lockdown-coronavirus-christmas-nhs-19465986

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Indeed, have the very similar decisions in Wales (by Labour) and Scotland (by the SNP) been criticized in the same way??

My only defence of this shambles of a Gov is that Drakeford and Sturgeon have made things twice as hard by making it political, as have Sage members leaking/speaking to the press undermining everything the gov announce.

Sturgeon is determined to make this about independence.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If the left care about people they would work with the government, to help get this virus beat.

Mouldy, I’d love to work with the government. I too have no experience with PPE, creating apps or vaccine logistics but it seems all the lucrative multimillion pound contracts go to their similarly unqualified friends and relatives. What do I have to do?

 

[WATFORD zero]

He is though.

I'm what ?

'It is so predictable that even I can write the script and I am heartily sick of modern politics with its point scoring and people backing positions, like football teams, because of the colour of the rosette (I am not saying that is what you are doing). that).'

I'm backing the rosette

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Kate Ferguson [MENTION=20669]Kate[/MENTION]ferguson4
Woah. Matt Hancock suggests Tier 4 areas will be living under the draconian restrictions until a vaccine is rolled out - that will be way into next year. He says: "Given how much faster this variant spreads, it is going to be v difficult"

 

[Is it PotG?]

I'm what

I know

 

[Bodian]

Witty said they had known about the mutation since September, in the same press conference.

Yes and I'm not suggesting otherwise.

But there was no indication this particular mutation, one of 4,000 already, posed a different risk until the last few days.

Are you suggesting that as each of the 4,000 mutations already were identified - that's about 13 per day, every day for the last 10 months - should trigger a change in government behaviour when there was no indication that any of them came with a different risk profile?

Whitty had a slide in that conference that showed that this strain was causing >25% of infections in November, and he said something like 'up from nothing in September - a very rapid increase'. And then went on to say that it's now causing >60% of infections. So, yes, there was clear indication in November that this particular mutation posed a different risk.

 

[vegster]

Indeed, have the very similar decisions in Wales (by Labour) and Scotland (by the SNP) been criticized in the same way??

The problem is that Johnson said " We will be guided by the Science" with regard to toughening up or varying the rules. Sadly, in reality, he has to be dragged reluctantly to almost every decision. At a time when we need precise guidance and leadership we often got muddled thinking or a leadership vacuum.

 

[Bozza]

I don't know of the details, because I haven't been paying attention to their rules, but didn't Scotland and Wales introduced different rules for Xmas last Wednesday ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55330561

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/drakeford-lockdown-coronavirus-christmas-nhs-19465986

All four nations agreed on, and announced, unified rules for 5 days of relaxation over Christmas.

All four nations have rowed back on those plans.

You only accuse one government of incompetence.

 

[A mex eyecan]

why wear a mask they dont work ? if they do why are we locked down ?

and does not wearing one help reduce it? , no ? and has it been such a terrible ordeal to have to wear one? no? and if wearing one just helps reduce some spread then what’s really been so bad about it? seems to me just a few people thinking they look clever not wearing one, but hey

 

[WATFORD zero]

All four nations agreed on, and announced, unified rules for 5 days of relaxation over Christmas.

All four nations have rowed back on those plans.

You only accuse one government of incompetence.

Fair enough, I wasn't aware of that. They were all incompetent, some longer than others

 

[Krusty]

The problem is that Johnson said " We will be guided by the Science" with regard to toughening up or varying the rules. Sadly, in reality, he has to be dragged reluctantly to almost every decision. At a time when we need precise guidance and leadership we often got muddled thinking or a leadership vacuum.

The science changed this week. Decisions were made this week. But you carry on sniping away if it makes you happy.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I know

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I would have thought you would be having a lie in after your excited exertions all over this thread and the board generally on your [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] account last night

 

[The Clamp]

"Eat out to kill your elderly relatives" was an almost criminal failure.

Quite. Looking back there were dozens of phenomenally stupid things that were encouraged and embraced.

 

[Beach Hut]

Some people must burn up heaps of unnecessary angry energy in their hatred of politicians and people who have to make very difficult decisions.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

why wear a mask they dont work ? if they do why are we locked down ?

Next time you have an operation or go to the dentist, tell them to take off their masks because they don't work.

Why do vets wear masks when operating on animals? It prevents them passing on infection.

You wear a mask to protect others.

 

[R. Slicker]

What has Lamptey got to do with it!

I don't read right wing papers, what have they said?

I don't see the connection with brexiteers, all the people I see via social media (not you) are the remainers and left wing bias that push the agenda about bumbling Boris, saying they don't know what they are doing, when it is science and data that dictates what they have to do and what they act on.
The consistent undermining of this government has been astounding and not realistic.
If the left care about people they would work with the government, to help get this virus beat rather than make people rebel government rules. As ultimately they with the media are a catalyst in spreading this vile disease.

Ps I know you and you wife are a decent people who would never break the rules.

In my opinion, Mouldy, This government have been given a relatively easy ride. I think if Jeremy had got in and made similar decisions, can you imagine the outcry.
I don't see myself as a 'Leftie' but it now seems if you actually care about other people, this is what you are labelled.
Present company accepted as you seem to accept that we need to do take action to stop the spread.
But all the time you have helmets like below, pushing the anti mask, anti lockdown agenda on right wing radio stations etc. then that becomes a much harder task.

https://youtu.be/Vurv270Uv0I

 

[Stat Brother]

Like so many others, you seem to have forgotten to mention the other three UK leaders who presented the same plan.

I want to be, and I know I should be, sympathetic towards Johnson et al for all the reasons I said.
But Johnson's actions whether through Saving Christmas, saving Dom-Dom, jobs for the boys, abandoning care homes track and trace fiasco and so on are what's driving my frustration now.

He (they) were never coming out of this unscathed, but it really shouldn't be so easy to hold his feet to the flame in real time, let alone hindsight.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Next time you have an operation or go to the dentist, tell them to take off their masks because they don't work.

Why do vets wear masks when operating on animals? It prevents them passing on infection.

You wear a mask to protect others.

Do they re-use single use masks?
Do they stuff them in pockets/bags?
Do they use scarfs/T-Shirts?

If they are doing that, I think you have a point on asking.