[Politics] Boris and Biden

[Kinky Gerbil]

I'm bothered, in part fearful that this will herald the return of the Alt-Right Trump clan in 3 years time.

The Democrats need to get a grip.

I don't like reading about it, but I gather his natural successor Kamala has been making gaffes and is now seen as a weak candidate.

Trump/DeSantis would win I think.

Bidenwas a panic nomination and it shows.

So an Obama comment as a favour for his mate Dave, is 'official' US policy for the next xx years just to make us wrong for a vote about OUR sovereignty which now they can't do anything about.

Really??

I think you have missed the point, by quite a margin.

The USA do not care about us, they could not care less if we have OUR sovereignty or not - there is zero value to them in a FTA - we are just not worth it.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

But the UK can go back to using pounds and ounces instead of those pesky grams and kilograms, so it's all been worth it.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/imperial-measures-uk-return_uk_61439407e4b07ad8c8dd2c6a

That's the UK, always looking to the future..............................

 

[Weststander]

Trump/DeSantis would win I think.

Bidenwas a panic nomination and it shows.



I think you have missed the point, by quite a margin.

The USA do not care about us, they could not care less if we have OUR sovereignty or not - there is zero value to them in a FTA - we are just not worth it.

This. They rarely allow them. They have the vast strength of their tech giants and retaliate if anyone eg the EU threatens any meddling. Being a net importer of luxury goods from eg Europe/UK/Japan, everyone’s afraid to upset them. Instead, bending over backwards to keep US business. The US wouldn’t want to lose control with free trade.

 

[studio150]

people like to say this, ignoring we're the 4th or 5th largest market available.

And people like to say this, ignoring that the USA makes deals with trading blocks, like the EU which pushes the UK down the market size league table.

 

[vegster]

people like to say this, ignoring we're the 4th or 5th largest market available.

It's this inflated view of our own importance that led us to Brexit and a fair proportion of the mess that we are in now. Still, slowly but surely the reality is hitting home.

 

[beorhthelm]

And people like to say this, ignoring that the USA makes deals with trading blocks, like the EU which pushes the UK down the market size league table.

i'm counting EU as number 2 after China. no 3 is Japan, then its either India or UK. i'd put India as the larger market on basis of opportunity, and probably GDP depending who you read.

also there is no evidence the US makes deals with trading blocks, see post above yours. they dont seem to like free trade, despite the stated intentions in that direction. localism trumps liberalism when it comes to the crunch.

 

[junior]

Who cares?

 

[nicko31]

So Boris toddled off to Washington with high hopes of brokering a free trade deal. Turns out Biden is fairly indifferent to such an arrangement, why wouldn't he be he has no need of such a deal and does not want to rock the boat with the Republic of Ireland. Seems that the UK is still hopeful of joining the USMCA, the trade arrangement between US, Canada and Mexico, although according to the BBC the benefits of such a deal are negligible and the chances of joining this club are very uncertain. This must finally scupper the idea that there is still a special arrangement between the US and the UK. Biden has far more important domestic issues to address than worrying about cosying up to a country who, post Brixit, is seen very much as a minor player on the global stage

30% of US trade is with Canada and Mexico, 2.5% with UK

45% if UK trade with EU

Nations trade with their neighbours not with countries far away even when we speak the same language

On the plus side we do have a trade surplus with the US, we also have one with the EU on services but we've f**ked that one up (we only did a deal on goods, that's the bit where the EU has a trade surplus)

What's the plan B Boris?

 

[Dr Q]

An old crook and an old crock.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I might pop over to the Bear Pit and see what “Britain is Booming” tweet [MENTION=35289]Baker lite[/MENTION] has posted today. Two new paper rounds and a cleaning job created?

 

[nicko31]

Digby, first the German car industry didn't come running and now this. WTF?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Digby, first the German car industry didn't come running and now this. WTF?

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So, trouble in Ireland, energy price increases, food shortages, cost of living increases, shrinking GDP, trade deals pie-in-the-sky…what else did we correctly predict?

 

[nicko31]

So, trouble in Ireland, energy price increases, food shortages, cost of living increases, shrinking GDP, trade deals pie-in-the-sky…what else did we correctly predict?

We didn't predict the FTA with Suriname in all fairness...

 

[vegster]

[emoji38]ol:

So, trouble in Ireland, energy price increases, food shortages, cost of living increases, shrinking GDP, trade deals pie-in-the-sky…what else did we correctly predict?

In surprised the government is not talking up our deal with the Faroe Islands which gives us access to cheaper Dolphin meat?

 

[LamieRobertson]

So, trouble in Ireland, energy price increases, food shortages, cost of living increases, shrinking GDP, trade deals pie-in-the-sky…what else did we correctly predict?

Bet you didn’t get Albion 4th in the table after five games

 

[Pinkie Brown]

Burn Boris Burn. Rep Boyle was interviewed on Newsnight with Daniel 'nobody is suggesting we leave the single market' Hannan. Hannan was given a sharp reality check in history and trade economics. Daniel is still searching for the remains of his arse which are believed to be on a silver platter somewhere.

 

[WATFORD zero]

So, trouble in Ireland, energy price increases, food shortages, cost of living increases, shrinking GDP, trade deals pie-in-the-sky…what else did we correctly predict?

I do seem to remember someone going on and on about the fact that we were incapable of putting the infrastructure, systems, processes and staff in place in order to actually implement any import controls when we left

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I do seem to remember someone going on and on about the fact that we were incapable of putting the infrastructure, systems, processes and staff in place in order to actually implement any import controls when we left

Good point.

Anyway, can’t stop, I’m off to the shop to buy some fresh fruit.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Good point.

Anyway, can’t stop, I’m off to the shop to buy some fresh fruit.

Well at least there is an element of surprise in shopping in Britain now. It got really boring when it was ALWAYS Toilet rolls and Dried Pasta shelves that were empty

 

[vegster]

Well at least there is an element of surprise in shopping in Britain now. It got really boring when it was ALWAYS Toilet rolls and Dried Pasta shelves that were empty

There is a Saturday girl who works in our shop who also works in a the Sainsburys Café, 10 days or so back they had no salad ingredients and no fresh milk in the entire superstore. And too think 30 odd years ago we used to laugh at the empty shelves in Russian supermarkets!