Bonfire night - Becoming a joke.

[ATFC Seagull]

Hardly trivial !!! I can't think of many other events in our history that so many people know about and celebrate every year.

I agree with that on that basis - and I have no problem with people enjoying it. But I don't believe it stands up as this key turning point in this history of Britain that needsto remain in everyone's consciousness. But then history is all interpretations!

 

[perseus]

Toady Goes to War

Hardly trivial. If Bloody Mary got her way we could today all be "slobbering zealots".

Councillor Tim Cheetham, a Labour councillor in Barnsley, has been watching Catholics venerate the relics of St Thérèse of Lisieux on television. “With all those slobbering zealots kissing that glass case, I hope it has some mystical power to prevent swine flu,” he wrote on Twitter this morning. | eChurch Blog

 

[The Wizard]

Rode from Hollingbury to whitehawk and back last night, was like bombs were going off all around, as people have said it was like WWIII. Dont have anything against it however

 

[e77]

Not my thing but as long as it is done on the 5th (or weekend night when it falls on a weekday) then fair enough.

Gets on my nerves when kids are setting off fireworks weeks afterwards.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Hardly trivial. If Bloody Mary got her way we could today all be "slobbering zealots".

Councillor Tim Cheetham, a Labour councillor in Barnsley, has been watching Catholics venerate the relics of St Thérèse of Lisieux on television. “With all those slobbering zealots kissing that glass case, I hope it has some mystical power to prevent swine flu,� he wrote on Twitter this morning. | eChurch Blog

And to all those who think there isn't an element of bigotry about bonfire night in these parts, I give you the above poster.

 

[W.C.]

once a year

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

I believe I'm the only person on the planet who just can't get excited about fireworks - little whoops and bangs and brief bursts of colour in the night sky - great for kids but adults?

 

[Left Footer]

I believe I'm the only person on the planet who just can't get excited about fireworks - little whoops and bangs and brief bursts of colour in the night sky - great for kids but adults?

I`ll join you on that one.
Bearing in mind their is a recession on it was quite amazing some of the private parties going on in my area last night, they must have spent an absolute fortune.
I think the northerners are right when they say the recession doesnt effect the south.

 

[Hove Seagull]

Ten quid for adults, five for kids, round the cricket ground last night. Brilliant display and not expensive.

 

[Poyetry In Motion]

I believe I'm the only person on the planet who just can't get excited about fireworks - little whoops and bangs and brief bursts of colour in the night sky - great for kids but adults?

nope - you're not alone
Fireworks aren't my thing - noisy, expensive and irritating when people let them off for weeks on end.
I like a big bonfire instead

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Honestly, what a sensationalist statement. Members of a repressed minority attempt to assassinate a king and an entirely unelected government, and fail miserably - almost certainly because they had at the very least been under surveilance from day one, and possibly because they had been aided at most steps of the way by government agents in order to make the biggest deal out of it. 40 years later the following king has his head chopped off. Another 40 years later and a Dutch-Speaking person is "invited" by a small number of individuals to come and replace the king 3 generations down. It is a completely trivial event in the history of Britain.

Spoken by someone who knows very little about the history of the time and the event itself and hasn't bothered to research it at all but rather has jumped to their own conclusions about the events before, during and after this plot and what was truely happening in this country at the time (politically and religiously).

Under surveilance - hahaha, Government agents - pfft. The reason the plot failed wasn't to do with these but because the plot was revealed to the authorities in an anonymous letter sent to William Parker, 4th Baron Monteagle. He received the letter as a warning him not to attend the state opening of Parliament and which lead to him informing the authorities who then searched the Parliament buildings and found the Barrels of Gunpowder and caught Guy Fawkes. Had they not been tipped off, then the plot would have succeeded, the whole of Government would have been destroyed along with the deaths of the King and his heirs. Robert Catesby led the plot and Guy Fawkes was the explosives expert. The other plotters were John Wright, Thomas Wintour, Thomas Percy, Robert Keyes, Thomas Bates, Robert Wintour, Christopher Wright, John Grant, Sir Ambrose Rookwood, Sir Everard Digby and Francis Tresham and its thought that one of these probably tipped him off as they were fond of him as he was a well respected Catholic member of Parliament.

With no-one left to rule we would have probably plunged into civil war, Catholics vs Protestants - the very anti-Catholic sentiments this would have stirred up would have led to their widespread hatred and hostility towards them which could have prompted the Spanish to invade in order to protect them and to try to fill the power vacuum created, especially likely with the ongoing hostility between England and Spain in that part of our history. The last invasion of this country was by the French in 1066, would you deny that this changed England?
... So to dismiss it as insignificant is very wide of the mark.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

And to all those who think there isn't an element of bigotry about bonfire night in these parts, I give you the above poster.

Perseus? When was he ever anything to do with Lewes? Or does every bit of freelance opinion get blamed on Lewes this week?

 

[mistahclarke]

I believe I'm the only person on the planet who just can't get excited about fireworks - little whoops and bangs and brief bursts of colour in the night sky - great for kids but adults?

me too. I am totally under-whelmed by them. NYE Sydney was quite a spectacle, but was still a "meh" moment.

 

[NMH]

Let's not be ott about our tradition though - almost every country has some reason or another for letting off fireworks and making a fuss. I think Spain has several, for instance.

My last dog used to stare in wonderment like a child at the rockets exploding in the sky - the one I have now quakes at the slightest little 'pop' in the distance, poor thing.

 

[Marmaduke]

Strange to think we were celebrating terrorism

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Strange to think we were celebrating terrorism

we're not though, we are celebrating the failure of terrorism

 

[looney]

I agree with that on that basis - and I have no problem with people enjoying it. But I don't believe it stands up as this key turning point in this history of Britain that needsto remain in everyone's consciousness. But then history is all interpretations!

The houses of Parliament is known as the mother of Parliaments. Not the invention of Democracy but the modern fountainhead from which others arose over the following centuries. How is this down to interpretation and not significant?

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Spoken by someone who knows very little about the history of the time and the event itself and hasn't bothered to research it at all but rather has jumped to their own conclusions about the events before, during and after this plot and what was truely happening in this country at the time (politically and religiously).

Under surveilance - hahaha, Government agents - pfft. The reason the plot failed wasn't to do with these but because the plot was revealed to the authorities in an anonymous letter sent to William Parker, 4th Baron Monteagle. He received the letter as a warning him not to attend the state opening of Parliament and which lead to him informing the authorities who then searched the Parliament buildings and found the Barrels of Gunpowder and caught Guy Fawkes. Had they not been tipped off, then the plot would have succeeded, the whole of Government would have been destroyed along with the deaths of the King and his heirs. Robert Catesby led the plot and Guy Fawkes was the explosives expert. The other plotters were John Wright, Thomas Wintour, Thomas Percy, Robert Keyes, Thomas Bates, Robert Wintour, Christopher Wright, John Grant, Sir Ambrose Rookwood, Sir Everard Digby and Francis Tresham and its thought that one of these probably tipped him off as they were fond of him as he was a well respected Catholic member of Parliament.

With no-one left to rule we would have probably plunged into civil war, Catholics vs Protestants - the very anti-Catholic sentiments this would have stirred up would have led to their widespread hatred and hostility towards them which could have prompted the Spanish to invade in order to protect them and to try to fill the power vacuum created, especially likely with the ongoing hostility between England and Spain in that part of our history. The last invasion of this country was by the French in 1066, would you deny that this changed England?
... So to dismiss it as insignificant is very wide of the mark.

Please do not dismiss me as someone who doesn't know their history, trust me when I say you couldn't really be further from the truth.

You have basically just given me the "ladybird books" children's version of the story - have a look at some of the actual historians interpretations of the Gunpowder Plot - it is a generally accepted view that the government had considerable knowledge of the plot before the Mounteagle letter, although it is debated how much. I do not deny for a minute that the Norman conquest changed England - what I do deny is your slightly unhinged assertation that a successful gunpowder plot would have brought about a Spanish invasion (and would have meant we all spoke Spanish to this day). Particularly as apparently it was ok for there to be a a Dutch invasion later that century.

Anyway its nearly 7th Nov and I am bored of this - but whilst this is clearly going nowhere, in general I'd be careful before you claim to be some sort of historian and dismiss someone else's viewpoint, and then wheel out the most basic of traditional stories.

 

[8ace]

NO POPERY

 

[Durlston]

There's some cvnts in my road, still setting off fireworks. Can't they look at a f***ing calendar? I kept my cat in Saturday and Sunday night, let her out earlier and she's just come in extremely frightened.

Fireworks on a Monday night, the 7th of November?