Boko Haram 'joins Islamic State'

[pastafarian]

Their ideology is around 16 years old. Boko Haram's is less than 6. Unless you're talking about the wider movement of Wahhabism, but even that is less than 75 years old.

The Middle East essentially needs peace and prosperity - once it has that, then these despicable extremist groups will be confined to the history books.

Their ideology of submitting to God and his laws is much older than just16 years,but you know that.
IS are just the enforcers of the ideology in that particular area,Boko Haram are the enforcers of the ideology in their area. We are fortunate enough here to only have planks like Ramjam Choudary and Muslim patrols as enforcers splattered with the occasional enforcer who takes matters to the next level.
But lets not be complacent, we should stamp on this ideological cancer now before it spreads and infects more idiots.

 

[The Spanish]

And so speaks the 5th Columnist.

If only the media calmed down and not wound daily mail readers up then I wouldn't have spent 7/7 in the office at Aldgate dealing with people who had seen people blown to pieces.

 

[The Spanish]

It sounds obvious (probably because it is), but I am confident that the rise of the IS is directly related to the wars in Iraq and Syria - those are now possibly the two least prosperous countries in the world. Equally, if Nigeria wasn't a country with such poverty, Boko Haram would surely not exist either.

Imagine living somewhere that people are literally starving to death, no public services, people are dying all around you, buildings and homes getting destroyed - it would not be surprising for extremism to gain momentum in this kind of place.

Yeah Nigeria is skint. You have got to be kidding. Their wealth distribution problems are not ours. Would be if they were still a british colony admittedly. But they have had fifty years to sort that out. Most foreign investment into Nigeria especially in the oil and gas sector operates on a morality based on british legal jurisdiction, and we play with a straight bat.

 

[The Spanish]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Nigeria

Mate no one is denying there is poverty in Nigeria. Other facts I cannot wiki, like london Lagos is the highest revenue on first class for british airways and Virgin out of all their routes, for example. It's terrible Nigeria has this disparity, but it's nothing todo with the UK. We handed over a resource rich country to self government and that's what happened. Are you saying they cannot run themselves effectively without our intervention? What's the solution. Ask for UK government intervention like Sierra leone did?

 

[Kevlar]

Their ideology is over 1000 years old and has spread like a cancer to every part of the world.It poses a very real ideological threat to every person that values freedom.

Just because its most prevalent 3000 miles away is no excuse to ignore it and bury your head in the sand,stamp on the cancer now and reduce its ideological threat before the infected become too many to control

how ?
the recent history of intervention has not gone well
why should it go better in the future?
they want a battle of civilizations
they want Muslims to think there is jihad or surrender
that is not a situation we should encourage

 

[maltaseagull]

It sounds obvious (probably because it is), but I am confident that the rise of the IS is directly related to the wars in Iraq and Syria - those are now possibly the two least prosperous countries in the world. Equally, if Nigeria wasn't a country with such poverty, Boko Haram would surely not exist either.

Imagine living somewhere that people are literally starving to death, no public services, people are dying all around you, buildings and homes getting destroyed - it would not be surprising for extremism to gain momentum in this kind of place.

I can't imagine how this must be. Neither can I forgive the west for invading Iraq or Afghanistan
However I can't condone beheading people as a means of raising awareness of my cause nor kidnapping 200 children.

IS and Boko Haram are a cancer and need to be destroyed.


However you try to justify their behavior, you lose out on basic HUMAN behaviour.
Both of these groups are completely inhuman in the 21st century and MUST be defeated.

 

[The Spanish]

Mate no one is denying there is poverty in Nigeria. Other facts I cannot wiki, like london Lagos is the highest revenue on first class for british airways and Virgin out of all their routes, for example. It's terrible Nigeria has this disparity, but it's nothing todo with the UK. We handed over a resource rich country to self government and that's what happened. Are you saying they cannot run themselves effectively without our intervention? What's the solution. Ask for UK government intervention like Sierra leone did?

Bear in mind we offered up the whole of the gulf to self government either Saudi the trucial states the lot, we departed just as the revenues started pouring in, and left them with the infrastructure to exploit it. We hardly stitched them up. If you were to consider a resource v exploration issue, the gulf states got by far the best deal of anywhere that came under british influence.

 

[Igzilla]

I think it's more of a franchise system, like opening a KFC outlet.

Harry's Snack Bar?

 

[wellquickwoody]

Imagine living somewhere that people are literally starving to death, no public services, people are dying all around you, buildings and homes getting destroyed - it would not be surprising for extremism to gain momentum in this kind of place.

Imagine living in a gentrified suburb of a metropolitan, western, liberal thinking democracy that offers opportunity to many and the safety of benefits to all and sundry, no matter what their background, race, colour or creed. You could also imagine the freedom of thought and expression given to all in this free thinking open minded conurbation and reflect on how wonderful it is not to be persecuted, tortured and ethnically cleansed because you did not adhere to the self serving doctrine of a few inhuman individuals who have brainwashed others around them into becoming the subhuman scum that ISIS have become.

Alternatively you could be Mustafa, and apologise for ISIS at every turn and blame the west for everything?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It sounds obvious (probably because it is), but I am confident that the rise of the IS is directly related to the wars in Iraq and Syria - those are now possibly the two least prosperous countries in the world. Equally, if Nigeria wasn't a country with such poverty, Boko Haram would surely not exist either.

Imagine living somewhere that people are literally starving to death, no public services, people are dying all around you, buildings and homes getting destroyed - it would not be surprising for extremism to gain momentum in this kind of place.

What about the rise in extremism in Egypt where they assissinated their own president, Anwar Sadat in 1981, because he'd signed a peace treaty with Israel, after four wars with them since 1948. You have heard this from me before but conveniently ignore it.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

What are cruiser ships?

Sorry tapa talk changed it

Cruise ships!!

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5301/islamic-state-libya

 

[The Spanish]

Sorry tapa talk changed it

Cruise ships!!

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5301/islamic-state-libya

lloyds list is subscription only and very expensive but if you want details on the effects of meditteranean migration and its effect on commercial shipping I would suggest that's a better source. Trust me.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

lloyds list is subscription only and very expensive but if you want details on the effects of meditteranean migration and its effect on commercial shipping I would suggest that's a better source. Trust me.

**** Lloyds - Speak to people who live and work near there - If Isis was 180m aways from your kids you would be worried too - They need taking out

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

A waste of sperm the lot of them. If only Jihadi John's Dad had just had a w*nk instead

 

[cunning fergus]

This is the exact kind of hysteria that I am referring to - it is completely irrational, you're literally hysterical (and it's contagious). There is almost zero risk of you or any one you know being directly affected by IS, Boko Haram or terrorism in general - ever.

Of course Jihadist terrorism has increased since the wars in the Middle East and the subsequent uprisings, but it is still so rare and improbable in the West that it is certainly not worth the panic that the mainstream media are stirring, there are far more significant and pressing concerns that the British public should be addressing instead.

If the world had more sense, Jihadists would not be making the front page of the tabloids every day - they do horrific things specifically to shock and outrage for that very reason. Such attention glorifies and empowers the terrorists, creates an irrational fear in the public like with yourself, exacerbates the increasing isolation of the peaceful Muslim majority, and so on. The mainstream media are either extremely irresponsible, or there is an ulterior motive - either way, you should do more not to get caught up in the hysteria.

You are absolutely and unequivocally wrong.

We are ALL affected by terrorism these days, from how we can book and get on board a flight abroad (or to the US) to the amount of taxpayers money spent on extra security arrangments or strategies like prevent. You only have to see what is happening in Paris post Charlie Hebdo to understand the social and economic implications of islamic terrorism.

Worst of all, the problems with home grown islamic terrorism in the UK is that it provides the Government with a convenient platform to apply greater control and vigilence of their citizens, and the abuse of these powers (see how Councils used covert methods allowed under anti terrorism legislation to spy on illegal parking for example.)

It is always ironic that politicians regularly talk about preserving liberal western values, yet they are typically the secondary casualities in the aftermath of a terrorist attack, again free speech in the light of Charlie Hebdo is a prime example.

the loss of some of these long standing (and hard fought for) freedoms are not usually added into the balance sheet when we are tld about the benefits of multi cultralism............they should be.

 

[beorhthelm]

We are ALL affected by terrorism these days, from how we can book and get on board a flight abroad (or to the US) to the amount of taxpayers money spent on extra security arrangments or strategies like prevent. You only have to see what is happening in Paris post Charlie Hebdo to understand the social and economic implications of islamic terrorism.

are these costs greater or otherwise different to the cost and implications of non-islamic terrorism? seems to me the casualties of terrorism are sense of perspective and real information. the freedoms being lost are the same that are always under attack from knee-jerk reaction to some event.

 

[daveinprague]

http://newsthump.com/2015/03/09/bok...lamic-state-in-return-for-their-bank-details/

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Worst of all, the problems with home grown islamic terrorism in the UK is that it provides the Government with a convenient platform to apply greater control and vigilence of their citizens, and the abuse of these powers (see how Councils used covert methods allowed under anti terrorism legislation to spy on illegal parking for example.)

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Thread over folks. Cunning Fergus has pointed out the worst thing about IS is they help councils deal with illegal parking. I bet they use German cameras and Polish staff too eh CF?

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Anyway you really proved Mustafa wrong about you being hysterical there CF, good work, phone Nigel and let him know perhaps he'll buy you a pint.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Anyone who thinks IS and their subhuman counterparts are not a clear and present danger to the UK, on UK soil with their warped and fcked up ideology is, I am afraid sadly deluded