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[Albion] Billy Gilmour



Peppermint Tea

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Aug 31, 2007
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Good first post and, as others have said, all welcome here providing you’re not a massive bellend. In fact, bellend of any size. I really like Billy - he’s busy, two good feet, sees and plays a great pass and is a tough little nugget for his stature. I think he’s going to become a great player next season but not sure he’s £100m potential. Would love to be wrong on that!
 




5Ways Gull

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Feb 2, 2009
1,191
Fiveways, Brighton
Hello all.

This is my maiden post.

Before I begin... sensational performance against Arsenal yesterday. You out Arsenaled Arsenal. Kudos.

Not many teams can do that. Not just talking about in the EPL. I'm talking about teams of Earth.

Firstly, I'm not a Brighton fan. I'm a Manchester United and Scotland fan. (Scotland first, actually, as I'm Scottish)

I'm not sure what your policy is with regards to fans of rival clubs. If rival fans registering is, in any way, is frowned upon, I'll respectfully take my leave. :)

Talking of... The Brentford board is a funny one. On the register sheet, they give you options of what team you support. So you'd think that they encourage "outsiders". Wrong.

The admin told me, in no uncertain terms, they don't tolerate non-Brentford fans signing up.

They probably aren't used to fans of other clubs taking an interest in them.

Classic small club mentality.

Besides, there was a wee bit of a creepy "Deliverance" vibe in that place.

Before I begin on the gist of my post. Brighton have been a breath of fresh air in the EPL. Stylish, from top to bottom. And your brand of football is top four material. No question.

If you actually did finish above Manchester United, I wouldn't have complaints. United have been fractured this season.

I enjoy watching Brighton more than Manchester United.

Oh. For the record. You deserved the recent victory against Manchester United. The only disservice was the scoreline. Brighton should have won by at least three. Our midfield was lampooned.

I wanted to wait till Billy Gilmour got his feet under the table and delivered a couple of prime performance before I came out of hiding and gave you a dissertation on him.

If anyone has any trepidation over him because of his Norwich stint, don't.

The truth is, there he was, a 20 year old boy, who arrived on loan from the European Cup champions. Fresh from absolutely dominanting England's midfield in the Euros.

He joined Norwich City and the fans expected prime Zinedine Zidane and they expected him to keep them in the EPL singlehanded.

Sadly, the Norwich fans forgot that Gilmour had zero seasonal experience. Also, within their squad, they had no one of note.

They had a Championship standard team.

Gimour was a kid. He needed someone to learn from and someone to mentor him. He had no one. Usually, the senior players are better than the younger ones, but it wasn't the case at Norwich.

The older players probably learned more from Gilmour than the other way round. In fact, I'm sure of it.

I saw all of his matches at Norwich. He was perpetually two or three steps in front of his team-mates. The numbers and stats will prove that. He was just made the scapegoat.

If they had owned him, I'm positive players like Normann and McLean would've taken much more blame than Gilmour.

But they didn't, he was going back to Chelsea, so it was fair game to give him abuse and leave the other players alone.

Don't believe what you hear, though, I would say that the majority of Norwich fans rated him, but just saw him as "the right player at the wrong time".

As is the way of the Internet, the vocal troglodytic minority drown out the reasonable minded majority.

From a purely Scotland point of view, I'm glad that he received so much abuse. It thickened his skin and put hairs on his chest (Metaphorical hairs... which are now literal hairs on his fae)

The biggest compliment that I can give him is that it didn't affect his Scotland performances.

Besides, and this key, they expected an anchorman, for him to put out fires and be world class with his defensive positioning.

Or they expected him to be a box-to-box midfielder, someone who will carry the ball forward and send raking balls forward and score scorchers onto the top corner.

He's none of that:

He's a prototypical deep-lying playmaker.

The work of a DLP can go unseen by the fans, but not by their team-mates or manager. This is why he was so unappreciated by the Norwich fans.

His main attributes are setting the tempo of the match from build up to progression, all the way to creation.

He's great at both helping create space between the lines, and then breaking lines, recycling play, beating an opposition’s press and seeking spaces closer to goal.

He does the unglamorous and unsexy sexy things well, like, recycling the ball, knitting transitions together with simple backwards or sideways passes, but he has also has the passing range to switch play with darting passes.

He's great under pressure, he'll accept the ball even with a man on him.

His counter press is on a world class level. Always has been. His quickness of thought, knowing where everyone is, at all times, allied with his one time passing ability, assures him that he very rarely gets caught in possession.
His spacial awareness is also world class. His technical ability is top class His passing range is brilliant. His ball retention skills are brilliant.

He's the kind of a midfielder who keeps things ticking over and sets the tempo.

Like a metronome.

He's a naturally confident lad, which is why his performances didn't drop when the Norwich scapegoat. Given the platform, and if the manager shows trust in him, he'll bloom.

I'd say that there's a £100m player in there. And let's be honest, if Declan Rice goes for £80m-£100m then Billy Gilmour will easily cost that. The only thing that Rice beats Gilmour with is defensive positioning and physically. Everything else, Gilmour wins.

But they're two different players.

Anyway.

Hopefully, Gilmour gets a few more matches under his belt this season, leading up to the Norway and Georgia matches.

And I hope he breaks into the starting XI and becomes a permanent starter next season and ultimately fulfills his massive potential.

Best of luck for the remainder of the season. :)



TL;DR: "Gilmour iz gude" :p

Thanks for taking the time to compose such a detailed post, I have great hopes for BG. Now to the crux of the matter. I'm no psychiatrist, but I'm detecting a slight dip in your love for Man Utd. Nothing has to be forever and it's never too late to make a change. We've got fans all over the world, come and join the party. 😀
 


Javeaseagull

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Feb 22, 2014
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Man Utd fan eh? You are in good company. Gary Neville loves us! Billy will do well with us I think. He seems to have settled in and appreciates his teammates. No Billy big bollox from what I see. He hasn’t much first team time but then he does have a World Cup winner keeping him out!
 


Eric the meek

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Aug 24, 2020
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That game against England was the performance that made people sit up and take notice of Billy Gilmour. He seemed just that little bit more aware of those around him, than the England internationals he was playing against.

I've a feeling we have another similar player, of similar stature, a bit behind Gilmour, who I remember reading he too was very aware of his surroundings, thus giving him a little more time on the ball, and pick his pass. Ayari.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
53,208
Goldstone
Thanks for your thoughts, away fans are always welcome on here until/unless they become twattish trolls :thumbsup:

And even some of those have been allowed to stay. But nice ones like the OP (assuming he's nice, I've only read the first page, got a day off next week for the rest) are very welcome.
 




US Seagull

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Jul 17, 2003
4,665
Cleveland, OH
Talking of... The Brentford board is a funny one. On the register sheet, they give you options of what team you support. So you'd think that they encourage "outsiders". Wrong.

The admin told me, in no uncertain terms, they don't tolerate non-Brentford fans signing up.
Maybe it's like those "are you a terrorist?" questions on immigration forms? Just trying to catch you out.
 








Munkfish

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May 1, 2006
12,090
Gilmour will be a great option as a deep lying playmaker and De Zerbi will only improve him.

However, I’d prefer to see him in the double pivot alongside a highly mobile, athletic and strong defensive midfielder who can read the game to a world class level. In short, if he has not got Caicedo next to him, we’re going to have to sign a similar player.

But, I think we have a number of players suitable for the deep lying playmaker role. Gilmour could well move himself to No.1 option when Mac leaves next month.

How I see it. 100% I think alongside Caicedo he would be brilliant if Ali Mac isn’t available or needed elsewhere on the pitch.

However by himself deep leaves our back line far too exposed.
 


Sheebo

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Jul 13, 2003
29,319
I have to disagree with this. Alzate is a good player, but there is a reason why he was almost loaned to West Brom at the start of the season
To get some first team championship experience at one of the favourites…? We shall see - let’s hope I’m right 😜
 


dejavuatbtn

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Aug 4, 2010
7,575
Henfield
RDZ will make Gilmour top of the Jocks. I think the potential he showed in the past will come to fruition next season when Mac and Cac are gone.
 




A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
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To me, Gilmour looks like he could be the player Man U thought McTominey would be
 


Normandy seagull

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Jul 16, 2003
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So pleased for this guy and generally want him to develop to Caicedos level- tough I know. He’s only 21!
 


Eric the meek

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So pleased for this guy and generally want him to develop to Caicedos level- tough I know. He’s only 21!
Caicedo is a different type of player. He's a disruptor, excellent at breaking up play. He wins a lot of balls. He is at his most effective when he hasn't got the ball, because he goes and wins possession for us. Possession for the ballers like Gilmour.
 






GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
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I have to disagree with this. Alzate is a good player, but there is a reason why he was almost loaned to West Brom at the start of the season
Almost loaned to WBA ............................. by Potter. We have a different manager now - whether he will become a De Zerbi favourite we have yet to see, but the fact that Potter was wiliing to lend him out as of this summer pre-season means nothing.
 
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thejackal

Throbbing Member
Oct 22, 2008
1,160
Brighthelmstone
Hello all.

This is my maiden post.

Before I begin... sensational performance against Arsenal yesterday. You out Arsenaled Arsenal. Kudos.

Not many teams can do that. Not just talking about in the EPL. I'm talking about teams of Earth.

Firstly, I'm not a Brighton fan. I'm a Manchester United and Scotland fan. (Scotland first, actually, as I'm Scottish)

I'm not sure what your policy is with regards to fans of rival clubs. If rival fans registering is, in any way, is frowned upon, I'll respectfully take my leave. :)

Talking of... The Brentford board is a funny one. On the register sheet, they give you options of what team you support. So you'd think that they encourage "outsiders". Wrong.

The admin told me, in no uncertain terms, they don't tolerate non-Brentford fans signing up.

They probably aren't used to fans of other clubs taking an interest in them.

Classic small club mentality.

Besides, there was a wee bit of a creepy "Deliverance" vibe in that place.

Before I begin on the gist of my post. Brighton have been a breath of fresh air in the EPL. Stylish, from top to bottom. And your brand of football is top four material. No question.

If you actually did finish above Manchester United, I wouldn't have complaints. United have been fractured this season.

I enjoy watching Brighton more than Manchester United.

Oh. For the record. You deserved the recent victory against Manchester United. The only disservice was the scoreline. Brighton should have won by at least three. Our midfield was lampooned.

I wanted to wait till Billy Gilmour got his feet under the table and delivered a couple of prime performance before I came out of hiding and gave you a dissertation on him.

If anyone has any trepidation over him because of his Norwich stint, don't.

The truth is, there he was, a 20 year old boy, who arrived on loan from the European Cup champions. Fresh from absolutely dominanting England's midfield in the Euros.

He joined Norwich City and the fans expected prime Zinedine Zidane and they expected him to keep them in the EPL singlehanded.

Sadly, the Norwich fans forgot that Gilmour had zero seasonal experience. Also, within their squad, they had no one of note.

They had a Championship standard team.

Gimour was a kid. He needed someone to learn from and someone to mentor him. He had no one. Usually, the senior players are better than the younger ones, but it wasn't the case at Norwich.

The older players probably learned more from Gilmour than the other way round. In fact, I'm sure of it.

I saw all of his matches at Norwich. He was perpetually two or three steps in front of his team-mates. The numbers and stats will prove that. He was just made the scapegoat.

If they had owned him, I'm positive players like Normann and McLean would've taken much more blame than Gilmour.

But they didn't, he was going back to Chelsea, so it was fair game to give him abuse and leave the other players alone.

Don't believe what you hear, though, I would say that the majority of Norwich fans rated him, but just saw him as "the right player at the wrong time".

As is the way of the Internet, the vocal troglodytic minority drown out the reasonable minded majority.

From a purely Scotland point of view, I'm glad that he received so much abuse. It thickened his skin and put hairs on his chest (Metaphorical hairs... which are now literal hairs on his fae)

The biggest compliment that I can give him is that it didn't affect his Scotland performances.

Besides, and this key, they expected an anchorman, for him to put out fires and be world class with his defensive positioning.

Or they expected him to be a box-to-box midfielder, someone who will carry the ball forward and send raking balls forward and score scorchers onto the top corner.

He's none of that:

He's a prototypical deep-lying playmaker.

The work of a DLP can go unseen by the fans, but not by their team-mates or manager. This is why he was so unappreciated by the Norwich fans.

His main attributes are setting the tempo of the match from build up to progression, all the way to creation.

He's great at both helping create space between the lines, and then breaking lines, recycling play, beating an opposition’s press and seeking spaces closer to goal.

He does the unglamorous and unsexy sexy things well, like, recycling the ball, knitting transitions together with simple backwards or sideways passes, but he has also has the passing range to switch play with darting passes.

He's great under pressure, he'll accept the ball even with a man on him.

His counter press is on a world class level. Always has been. His quickness of thought, knowing where everyone is, at all times, allied with his one time passing ability, assures him that he very rarely gets caught in possession.
His spacial awareness is also world class. His technical ability is top class His passing range is brilliant. His ball retention skills are brilliant.

He's the kind of a midfielder who keeps things ticking over and sets the tempo.

Like a metronome.

He's a naturally confident lad, which is why his performances didn't drop when the Norwich scapegoat. Given the platform, and if the manager shows trust in him, he'll bloom.

I'd say that there's a £100m player in there. And let's be honest, if Declan Rice goes for £80m-£100m then Billy Gilmour will easily cost that. The only thing that Rice beats Gilmour with is defensive positioning and physically. Everything else, Gilmour wins.

But they're two different players.

Anyway.

Hopefully, Gilmour gets a few more matches under his belt this season, leading up to the Norway and Georgia matches.

And I hope he breaks into the starting XI and becomes a permanent starter next season and ultimately fulfills his massive potential.

Best of luck for the remainder of the season. :)



TL;DR: "Gilmour iz gude" :p

Great first post, appreciate the insight.
 


Sirnormangall

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Sep 21, 2017
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Congratulations on probably setting a record for the longest maiden post! Great that Gilmour has got his chance. Difficult to leave him out on current form. Hope he stays.
 




GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
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Gloucester
Hello all.

This is my maiden post.

Before I begin... sensational performance against Arsenal yesterday. You out Arsenaled Arsenal. Kudos.

Not many teams can do that. Not just talking about in the EPL. I'm talking about teams of Earth.

Firstly, I'm not a Brighton fan. I'm a Manchester United and Scotland fan. (Scotland first, actually, as I'm Scottish)

I'm not sure what your policy is with regards to fans of rival clubs. If rival fans registering is, in any way, is frowned upon, I'll respectfully take my leave. :)

Talking of... The Brentford board is a funny one. On the register sheet, they give you options of what team you support. So you'd think that they encourage "outsiders". Wrong.

The admin told me, in no uncertain terms, they don't tolerate non-Brentford fans signing up.

They probably aren't used to fans of other clubs taking an interest in them.

Classic small club mentality.

Besides, there was a wee bit of a creepy "Deliverance" vibe in that place.

Before I begin on the gist of my post. Brighton have been a breath of fresh air in the EPL. Stylish, from top to bottom. And your brand of football is top four material. No question.

If you actually did finish above Manchester United, I wouldn't have complaints. United have been fractured this season.

I enjoy watching Brighton more than Manchester United.

Oh. For the record. You deserved the recent victory against Manchester United. The only disservice was the scoreline. Brighton should have won by at least three. Our midfield was lampooned.

I wanted to wait till Billy Gilmour got his feet under the table and delivered a couple of prime performance before I came out of hiding and gave you a dissertation on him.

If anyone has any trepidation over him because of his Norwich stint, don't.

The truth is, there he was, a 20 year old boy, who arrived on loan from the European Cup champions. Fresh from absolutely dominanting England's midfield in the Euros.

He joined Norwich City and the fans expected prime Zinedine Zidane and they expected him to keep them in the EPL singlehanded.

Sadly, the Norwich fans forgot that Gilmour had zero seasonal experience. Also, within their squad, they had no one of note.

They had a Championship standard team.

Gimour was a kid. He needed someone to learn from and someone to mentor him. He had no one. Usually, the senior players are better than the younger ones, but it wasn't the case at Norwich.

The older players probably learned more from Gilmour than the other way round. In fact, I'm sure of it.

I saw all of his matches at Norwich. He was perpetually two or three steps in front of his team-mates. The numbers and stats will prove that. He was just made the scapegoat.

If they had owned him, I'm positive players like Normann and McLean would've taken much more blame than Gilmour.

But they didn't, he was going back to Chelsea, so it was fair game to give him abuse and leave the other players alone.

Don't believe what you hear, though, I would say that the majority of Norwich fans rated him, but just saw him as "the right player at the wrong time".

As is the way of the Internet, the vocal troglodytic minority drown out the reasonable minded majority.

From a purely Scotland point of view, I'm glad that he received so much abuse. It thickened his skin and put hairs on his chest (Metaphorical hairs... which are now literal hairs on his fae)

The biggest compliment that I can give him is that it didn't affect his Scotland performances.

Besides, and this key, they expected an anchorman, for him to put out fires and be world class with his defensive positioning.

Or they expected him to be a box-to-box midfielder, someone who will carry the ball forward and send raking balls forward and score scorchers onto the top corner.

He's none of that:

He's a prototypical deep-lying playmaker.

The work of a DLP can go unseen by the fans, but not by their team-mates or manager. This is why he was so unappreciated by the Norwich fans.

His main attributes are setting the tempo of the match from build up to progression, all the way to creation.

He's great at both helping create space between the lines, and then breaking lines, recycling play, beating an opposition’s press and seeking spaces closer to goal.

He does the unglamorous and unsexy sexy things well, like, recycling the ball, knitting transitions together with simple backwards or sideways passes, but he has also has the passing range to switch play with darting passes.

He's great under pressure, he'll accept the ball even with a man on him.

His counter press is on a world class level. Always has been. His quickness of thought, knowing where everyone is, at all times, allied with his one time passing ability, assures him that he very rarely gets caught in possession.
His spacial awareness is also world class. His technical ability is top class His passing range is brilliant. His ball retention skills are brilliant.

He's the kind of a midfielder who keeps things ticking over and sets the tempo.

Like a metronome.

He's a naturally confident lad, which is why his performances didn't drop when the Norwich scapegoat. Given the platform, and if the manager shows trust in him, he'll bloom.

I'd say that there's a £100m player in there. And let's be honest, if Declan Rice goes for £80m-£100m then Billy Gilmour will easily cost that. The only thing that Rice beats Gilmour with is defensive positioning and physically. Everything else, Gilmour wins.

But they're two different players.

Anyway.

Hopefully, Gilmour gets a few more matches under his belt this season, leading up to the Norway and Georgia matches.

And I hope he breaks into the starting XI and becomes a permanent starter next season and ultimately fulfills his massive potential.

Best of luck for the remainder of the season. :)



TL;DR: "Gilmour iz gude" :p

We are often scathing of Man. United supporters on here ........ and of Scottish football ....................... but always nice (IMHO) to have a friendly conversation. We sometimes used to have them on the terraces in our third and fourth level days - not that a MU supporter might appreciate or have experienced that!
Share your hopes that Billy Gilmour does well for us.
 


dazzer6666

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I'm convinced he's already benefitted hugely from De Zerbi's coaching, and also from his man-management. De Z has already admitted he might have made a teeny mistake in not using him sooner, but TBF he's been behind probably our best purchase since joining the PL and most intelligent player, a WC winner and possibly the best CDM in the EPL - he's been admirably patient, obviously working hard and now grabbing his chance. Reckon he'll be a key player next season and seems like a great lad.
 


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