bigotry and jingoism on the rise

[DerbyGull]

ask yoursef why you felt it necessary to move to australia, then start preaching about "citizens of the world, saddened by the rise of the far right" etc

i love it

 

[coventrygull]

Its only that Cov doesn't want to believe there were any blacks in Britain before 1950:

Its called having a bit of a jest mate but then you can always ask clapham about my style of posting

 

[coventrygull]

It was on the TV last week, think it might have been the One Show, they did some feature about some jewellery and bones found by an archaeological dig in York...the conclusion was that they belonged to a woman who was more than likely of either African or mixed descent...if my memory serves me right, I was concentrating on stuffing my dinner down at the time and the programme was just on as background noise.

Cheers I will check it out

 

[cunning fergus]

Er....... we are all immigrants in some way, not unless you believe Jesus put you here like Griffin does.

Mind you since the great fire most of the British architecture was ripped off from the Romans and greeks anyway. It was probably more British before that.

Before the Romans we didn't have that much of a culture in any case. Most of the stuff in England at the time was the same as stuff elsewhere. even Stonehenge is seen in similar things across the world.

even the tribes before the Romans had foreign sounding names and traditions.

Its only that Cov doesn't want to believe there were any blacks in Britain before 1950:

Thanks for that, unless I agree with you I am a BNP supporter.

I missed the big fire that destroyed everything, is that why we call some peiople sooty?

No culture before the Romans either eh, so we needed straight roads, enslavement, ritual murder and Gladiators, I am sure the Druids would disagree with you, but like you so eloquently put our stuff was the same as other stuff.

You should tell the Poles that they should grateful for the Tuetonic and Russian culture they got from 1939-1980.................quite.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Its called having a bit of a jest mate but then you can always ask clapham about my style of posting

Maybe I'm being harsh then.

I do find the stuff you post interesting save for the BNP brainwashing bits

 

[coventrygull]

So one skull suggests Britain was multi cultural

 

[coventrygull]

Maybe I'm being harsh then.

I do find the stuff you post interesting save for the BNP brainwashing bits

Not trying to brainwash anyone. I will leave that to the liberal multi cults. Just giving my honest opinion.

like yourself there are some ok lefty posters on here that you can have a reasoned debate with and a bit of a laugh

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Thanks for that, unless I agree with you I am a BNP supporter.

I missed the big fire that destroyed everything, is that why we call some peiople sooty?

No culture before the Romans either eh, so we needed straight roads, enslavement, ritual murder and Gladiators, I am sure the Druids would disagree with you, but like you so eloquently put our stuff was the same as other stuff.

You should tell the Poles that they should grateful for the Tuetonic and Russian culture they got from 1939-1980.................quite.

I don't know how you vote, No Sooty was a hand puppet.

We did and still need straight roads, but hey what did the romans ever do for us. Oh yeah they got rid of The Druids.

Most Poles here are grateful for any work they get.

 

[beorhthelm]

The point was that for all the speel that knobs put on our Englishness it doesn't really exist. Most of our English culture that people rave about comes from abroad eg ST george being Turkish and Muslim and even the Queen coming from germany.

erm, i'm definatly positive St George was a chrisitan. im no theolgian, but i dont think the church is in the practice of canonising those from other religions. and the Queen is about as German as a Princes Frankfurter, you have to go back a few generations to find the non-english linage.

 

[clapham_gull]

St. George "was" a Christian, but probably didn't fight a dragon and definately didn't set foot in England.

Bit of an odd Patron Saint, albeit for a division of the religion that doesn't really do saints.

The less than enthusiast celebration of the day has nothing to political correctness, it's never been celebrated with any enthusiam at all. The golden age where we all sat down and had street parties celebrating George sadly didn't exist. This is probably a lot to with the Church in this country have a bit of a problem with him, because they think there are better candidates, but (unfortunately for them) he stuck.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I've always wanted to know why Anglo-Saxon countries are such magnets for people all over the world.

Are they?

Some statistics from 2005 for European countries:-

Relative to population size, the largest positive migration balances were found in:-

Cyprus (+27.2 per 1,000 inhabitants),
Spain (+15.0),
Ireland (+11.4),
Austria (+7.4),
Italy (+5.8),
Malta (+5.0),
Switzerland (+4.7),
Norway (+4.7),
Portugal (+3.8).

The UK doesn't feature.



Relative to population size, two of Europe's smallest countries — Luxembourg (37.4 percent) and Liechtenstein (33.9 percent) — had the largest stock of immigrants, followed by Switzerland (22.9 percent), the Baltic states of Latvia (19.5 percent) and Estonia (15.4 percent), Austria (15.1 percent), Ireland (14.1 percent), Cyprus (13.9 percent), Sweden (12.4 percent), and Germany (12.3 percent).

 

[Chicken Runner61]

erm, i'm definatly positive St George was a chrisitan. im no theolgian, but i dont think the church is in the practice of canonising those from other religions. and the Queen is about as German as a Princes Frankfurter, you have to go back a few generations to find the non-english linage.

He is celebrated by both muslim and christians


St George is celebrated in the Muslim world as "Khizar the Green One"; he is a venerated saint who gave his life for montheism.

Had St George been alive today; he would most likely been languishing in the dungeons of Guantanamo Bay Cuba, for his beliefs.

It is a well known fact that St George had a Turkish father and a Palestinian mother; and the story about him slaying a dragon is a total myth ; in fact every ancient culture has a favourite son slaying a dragon; be it Greek, Persian,Roman Egptian myths; they all love to slay a dragon.

There are loads of St Georges mosques as well as churches

 

[cunning fergus]

The less than enthusiast celebration of the day has nothing to political correctness, it's never been celebrated with any enthusiam at all. The golden age where we all sat down and had street parties celebrating George sadly didn't exist. This is probably a lot to with the Church in this country have a bit of a problem with him, because they think there are better candidates, but (unfortunately for them) he stuck.[/QUOTE]


Not true, St Georges Day was a national religous feast day from the 1200s', and parts of the conuntry celebrated in hundreds of years before that. For example I think Doncaster had a major celebration from around 1050. After the battle of Agincourt though it was given greater signifcance and it was decreed that St Georges day was to be celebrated like Christmas day and so it was.

There's the rub with the reformation, (as you have indicated), however the truth is we lost the understanding of how to celebrate St Georges Day, there was evidently not a turkey dinner or similar!!

 

[brighton bluenose]

There is nothing prior to the Romans that we really can shout about and after then its not until Elizabeth, Drake Wellington or Nelson that we can get proud about. after that we have a lot to shout about and it was our engineers poets & writers that gave us our real heritage and led to the empire.

What a neat summation of 1,200+ years of British history - I blame the schools!!

 

[rcf0712]

well I'm glad I got that off my chest, not... I think I'll stick to sport, music and other escapism threads from now on and leave the politics alone as much of what I have to take responsibility for starting here sickens me.
Serves me right I guess for opening yet another BNP NSC thread whilst the news was on in the background talking about asylum seekers.
I apologise to all (IMHO) right minded souls who are equally dismayed as I at yet another outlet for the racist rantings of what I still, perhaps naively, think is an NSC minority.
Frankly I find it hugely dissapointing that that this has become the first thread I've started that's even got to 50 responses as it speeds past 100, should I have expected any different, in hindsight maybe not.....

 

[beorhthelm]

He is celebrated by both muslim and christians


St George is celebrated in the Muslim world as "Khizar the Green One"; he is a venerated saint who gave his life for montheism.

Had St George been alive today; he would most likely been languishing in the dungeons of Guantanamo Bay Cuba, for his beliefs.

It is a well known fact that St George had a Turkish father and a Palestinian mother; and the story about him slaying a dragon is a total myth ; in fact every ancient culture has a favourite son slaying a dragon; be it Greek, Persian,Roman Egptian myths; they all love to slay a dragon.

There are loads of St Georges mosques as well as churches

thats all very nice, the FACT is Islam didnt even exist in St Georges day, so he couldn't have been a muslim.

 

[severnside gull]

well I'm glad I got that off my chest, not... I think I'll stick to sport, music and other escapism threads from now on and leave the politics alone as much of what I have to take responsibility for starting here sickens me.
Serves me right I guess for opening yet another BNP NSC thread whilst the news was on in the background talking about asylum seekers.
I apologise to all (IMHO) right minded souls who are equally dismayed as I at yet another outlet for the racist rantings of what I still, perhaps naively, think is an NSC minority.
Frankly I find it hugely dissapointing that that this has become the first thread I've started that's even got to 50 responses as it speeds past 100, should I have expected any different, in hindsight maybe not.....

amen to that.

It's frightening how these people have found a bandwagon to jump on with clearly little knowldege or understanding of what they are talking about still less what the likes of Griffin would actually propose should (God forbid) they get any power..............countless lives ruined by a neo-nazi state where those who elected the "leadership" would be even more disenfranchised than they are now and ultimately disaffected but by then powerless to make any change.

The sad state of their knowledge of history is perhaps indicative that they are predominantly below voting age at present although a number are clearly older and should have paid more attention in school

 

[coventrygull]

amen to that.

It's frightening how these people have found a bandwagon to jump on with clearly little knowldege or understanding of what they are talking about still less what the likes of Griffin would actually propose should (God forbid) they get any power..............countless lives ruined by a neo-nazi state where those who elected the "leadership" would be even more disenfranchised than they are now and ultimately disaffected but by then powerless to make any change.

The sad state of their knowledge of history is perhaps indicative that they are predominantly below voting age at present although a number are clearly older and should have paid more attention in school

Oh do behave. Countless lives have been ruined by this neo liberal state.

 

[User removed 4]

amen to that.

It's frightening how these people have found a bandwagon to jump on with clearly little knowldege or understanding of what they are talking about still less what the likes of Griffin would actually propose should (God forbid) they get any power..............countless lives ruined by a neo-nazi state where those who elected the "leadership" would be even more disenfranchised than they are now and ultimately disaffected but by then powerless to make any change.

The sad state of their knowledge of history is perhaps indicative that they are predominantly below voting age at present although a number are clearly older and should have paid more attention in school

why do you and your ilk feel the need to constantly brand anyone who has a less than rose tinted view of immgration and its effect on this country a BNP supporter ?? show some imagination in your argument for f*** sake !

 

[Southy]

It does always seem to be the same 4 or 5 posters who leap on these kinds of threads and use them to keep spouting they're half baked theories about neo-liberalism, third positions and how Griffin is telling the real truths about Britain. Then the same 4 or 5 other posters (and I include myself in this) jump on to counter and refute the far right post bouncers. The vast majority of posters carry on posting about the best route from Hove to Fiveways without hitting a traffic light or whether Coppell would be a good replacement for Slade. In the end Cov/Das etc can delude themselves that it's all turning their way, but ultimately they can shout and bag on all they want, they don't get alot of support or interest on here for their racist views and this pretty much reflects everywhere else. Now tell us what you think about Russell...