Better than under McGhee?

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Why o why did we not learn from that mistake. [/B][/QUOTE]

Because with have the same chairman making the same crap decisions.

This slide lies totally at his feet. All this Legend stuff is beginning to get on my tits. Knight has to stand up and be counted, under investment will kill this club quicker than any tinpot council.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

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Ummm...Blackpool had lost on their three previous visits, and had never even scored at Withdean before today...

Their fans could scarcely believe the ease with which they won. They won't win an easier game all season.

 

[Easy 10]

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Their fans could scarcely believe the ease with which they won. They won't win an easier game all season.

Hang on - we've got to go up there yet.

 

[NMH]

Even if he did say that - although I didn't hear it first hand - I really feel it was to save some confidence of the young players. Should he have sent them packing for their summer break having said they were useless and not worthy of a place in the team?

It DIDN'T matter in the grander scheme of things, as we were relegated already! What is so difficult to understand about that?

You know, you ARE right. Of course he should have said that! Although the players got the same wages for that last game of the season and wouldn't be having to train for professional games for a few months, the punters have shelled out money for a game that doesn't matter one whit (DESPITE the fact we were down already), let's just lie down for Stoke to get a ridiculous scoreline. The fans aren't what matters, it's the player's egos.

 

[Stinky Kat]

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No it wasn't.
The 1-5 with Stoke, you hasd a group pf players put out by McGhee who were trotting around and clearly couldn't give a f*** (as McGhee had, by that stage, already helpfully told everyone that the season had ended by the Sheff Weds game).

Today, we had a team of kids out there who are utterly out of their depth and befeft of confidence. There is no leadership whatsoever - everyone is left to get on with their own game. There is no cohesion. There IS effort, but its brainless. There is no craft, no guile, no skill, no imagination. Our tactic is not to create space and pass the ball. It is to lump it vaguely into space down the flanks, in the hope of winning a throw-in (and this actually gets applauded).

he squad is now decimated. We are there for the taking by any shit-arsed two-bob team. Blackpool were gash. They were utter pony at the back. Their "excuse" of a back line was so ragged that it only took the most basic of passes to get behind them. Their centrebacks spent half the game booting clearances against their own team-mates arses, and getting away with it because we were so abject that we never came close to taking advantage. And yet that bunch of donkeys just raped us 3-0.

It is now, quite literally, men against boys. The warning signs were there when we handed out 12 pro contracts to the kids in that youth team that did so well in the FA Youth Cup last season. Amongst the positive spin, I had fears that meant the team would be propped up by too many kids, but its gone worse than I envisaged in the summer.

As it stands, we're going down. No two ways about it.

yes we threw the towel in gainst Stoke but on Sunday we were shitter.

not all that side were Kids. Kuipers, Butters, carpenter, Mayo young but established pros like Hammond and El Abb, Revell is not a kid.

Kids = Cox, incidentally one of the better players, dont know how old the the left back was, Lynch plays like he has been on the weed lately.

I agree the warning signs were there last season. The worst thing we fdid was beat Leeds in january because that result meant DK did not think he needed to spend any cash.

Its far too depressing

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I think people hugely underestimated how badly it hit the players when they were relegated.

McGhee was misquoted - It DIDN'T matter that we got hammered by Stoke. We were down already and I think he was trying to soften the blow to the players. You could see how ashamed and gutted they were when they got relegated.

4-1 defeat to Crewe was unfortunate. It could have been very different had Mayo not got sent off.


We let a decent manager go and they are very hard to come by. I am bitterly disappointed that DK sacked him, whether the fans forced him to or not.

We would not be in this sorry state with McGhee in charge.

Yes it did matter that we got hammered by Stoke. We were beaten 5-1 at home for fucks sake. You never heard Wilkins say it didn't matter on Sunday did you? He actually said the fans had the right to boo. A statement that McGhee would never had uttered.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I missed hearing MM say that the Stoke match 'didn't matter' - and if he did say such a thing, it would be very unwise toward all of the people who paid the regular fee to be there it. A good way to alienate fans for a club that could use every penny that it can get.

Even I refuse to believe MM could have actually said that!

http://www.seagulls.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Match/MatchReport/0,,10433~29255,00.html

It's on the match report above.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

As a lot of people have said, the 1-5 was pretty much meaningless as we were already down. Ok... so fans shelled out money and wanted a performance etc etc... but after a tough season like that ending in relegation, it's hardly surprising the players had nothing left in the tank for the final, pointless game.

As for Crewe, we had a player sent off. When we were a goal down (2-1 I think), we were really giving it a go, Revell hit the post and, on the break from the same move, Crewe put the game out of reach. They then hit us again on the break, but were just exploiting the space left by Albion throwing everything forward. Besides which, Crewe's record since shows they were in a false position at that stage.

Today, we created nothing. There was little effort. The defence is a shambles, the midfield invisible and the attack non-existent.

We had the manager in place to at least keep us comfortable in this division. A big hand to all those who hounded him out..

How do you know he would have kept us comfotably in mid table? Have you got a crystal ball?
Wilkins is using a side that was largely created by McGhee, with the exception of Whing and Williams.
So is it Wilkins fault that he was left with a side that has no strength in depth whatsoever?
No the people to blame for that are Dick Knight and Mark McGhee.

 

[chez]

Wilkins is using a side that was largely created by McGhee, with the exception of Whing and Williams.
So is it Wilkins fault that he was left with a side that has no strength in depth whatsoever?

To me that just proves how good a manager McGhee is. McGhee was doing a decent job with the same team as Wilkins is doing a shit job with.

 

[London Irish]

How do you know he would have kept us comfotably in mid table? Have you got a crystal ball?
Wilkins is using a side that was largely created by McGhee, with the exception of Whing and Williams.

Because we beat two sides on 17pts, the Gills and Rotherham away, which were decent results against midtable teams. Wilkins has thus far only beaten disintegrating relegation teams.

We will stay up if we can beat some of these midtable teams - McGhee was showing the way to do that and only saw his young charges beaten by the two teams in automatic promotion spot and by the team in 7th that came down from the Championship with us last season.

McGhee also had us playing decent football - for three-quarters of the game 20,000 Forest fans were growing extremely restless watching us out-pass their team.

Sadly, we seem some way off a performance like that now.

But there is always the next game. Let's see against Scunthorpe if we can get back to that level of play. I am backing Wilkins to turn things round because we need unity now more than ever.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Because we beat two sides on 17pts, the Gills and Rotherham away, which were decent results against midtable teams. Wilkins has thus far only beaten disintegrating relegation teams.

We will stay up if we can beat some of these midtable teams - McGhee was showing the way to do that and only saw his young charges beaten by the two teams in automatic promotion spot and by the team in 7th that came down from the Championship with us last season.

McGhee also had us playing decent football - for three-quarters of the game 20,000 Forest fans were growing extremely restless watching us out-pass their team.

Sadly, we seem some way off a performance like that now.

But there is always the next game. Let's see against Scunthorpe if we can get back to that level of play. I am backing Wilkins to turn things round because we need unity now more than ever.

You have a point but when we beat Gillingham it was at the start of a bad run they were having at the time. Rotherham was the first game of the season, if we had beaten Forest on the first game of the season would that have made us championship contenders?
I'll be up in Scunthorpe on Saturday, lets see if we can have a solid performance instead of what we saw against Blackpool.

 

[trueblue]

How do you know he would have kept us comfotably in mid table? Have you got a crystal ball?

No crystal ball, but I think it's a pretty fair assumption given McGhee's record at this level. He knows what it takes to do okay in this division, that's for sure.

We've gone from a team that opened the season looking like we needed a couple of players to challenge for the top ten to a side now hoping to scrape in fifth from bottom.

That's not progress in my book.

 

[Arrid]

McGhee was a class manager but he's gone. We need some leadership from the top, not more scapegoats for a lack of investment. Time for the board to hold their hands up and admit that we are a club who need to back our managers not hang them out to dry whilst they sit in their ivory towers.

Just admit that there is nothing in the pot DK and be honest with us, no amount of spin is going to help. I can live with that but not the scapegoating.

McGhee a "class" manager. I heard it all now.

 

[Da Man Clay]

To me that just proves how good a manager McGhee is. McGhee was doing a decent job with the same team as Wilkins is doing a shit job with.

That sums it up basically.