[Football] Best Manager?

[American Seagle]

Clearly Pep and Johan Cruyff are above Zidane in terms of managerial achievements. However, this discussion is about individuals who have done great things as both a player and a manager, which ZZ undoubtedly has. (Your assertion that he won things with a 'ready made team' doesn't stand up to scrunity when other managers, notably Lopetegui, struggled with the same group of players in 18/19). Neither Wenger or Mourinho did anything as players, so IMO aren't really relevant for this discussion.

No I know they are not. I just don't think there are many, maybe only a handful of great players who became great manager. Johan Cruyff is the only one I can think of. Zidane: great player, good manager but not great.

 

[lawros left foot]

No I know they are not. I just don't think there are many, maybe only a handful of great players who became great manager. Johan Cruyff is the only one I can think of. Zidane: great player, good manager but not great.

You have to include Beckenbaur.
Probably at a higher level than Cruyff in both categories. In my opinion, obviously.

 

[American Seagle]

You have to include Beckenbaur.
Probably at a higher level than Cruyff in both categories. In my opinion, obviously.

Yes he would be another. But if you list of the great players none really did much in management: Pele, Maradona, Ronaldhinio, Best, Platini....

 

[Albion in the north]

Simeone? Arguably better than GSouth at both

 

[JOLovegrove]

Guardiola
Xavi
Arteta

Sadly, all Spanish. As for English, there is far less options.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

What about Fat Frank's A'levels?

GCSEs weren't they?
I'd bet good money he wouldn't have got the same results at Tideway.

 

[Fiskmås]

Graham Potter, surely!

(I’ll see myself out)

 

[The Mole]

great news about one of our most important managers (apologies if it is another post)

 

[kojak]

Howard Kendall deserves a mention

 

[Bodian]

Lallana (after he has managed us in the Champions League).....