Bernard Ingham refuses to apologise for views on Hillsborough

[Kumquat]

No fool like an old fool as the Echo leader has it.


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2013/01/16/margaret-thatcher-aid-sir-bernard-ingham-i-want-say-sorry-for-telling-liverpool-to-shut-up-about-hillsborough-100252-32608590/

 

[catfish]

Stupid old ****.

 

[Sussax]

What.A.TWAT.

 

[Kumquat]

Thought the Echo's leader, the link to which is about six sentences down in the article, was beautifully restrained.

 

[Manx Shearwater]

Cake. Its a made up drug.

Stupid old tosser.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Is Hillsborough the new racism?

I wonder if the scousers will go after every single person who ever said anything as a result of believing the initial police or media reports.

 

[Kumquat]

Is Hillsborough the new racism?

I wonder if the scousers will go after every single person who ever said anything as a result of believing the initial police or media reports.

If you read the whole thing, you'll realise it's about his refusal to accept the evidence since. Let's see if you can accept that when you read it.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

He cannot apologise , if he he does it implicates Thatcher

 

[Billy the Fish]

If you read the whole thing, you'll realise it's about his refusal to accept the evidence since. Let's see if you can accept that when you read it.

I couldn't give a shit whether some old has-been twat of a politician accepts the evidence or not, and neither should they. The truth has come out, they don't need an apology from every person who ever said anything to the contrary.

I don't blame him to be honest, if I was enjoying my retirement comfortably with a couple of million in the bank and some two-bob local paper sharpened their knives for me I'd be tempted just to say whatever I thought would piss them off the most, even if I didn't believe it.

 

[abc]

Is Hillsborough the new racism?

I wonder if the scousers will go after every single person who ever said anything as a result of believing the initial police or media reports.

Rather agree with this. Only in Liverpool.

I have often wondered about why Heysel has seemingly been forgotten about. I remember watching it happen on TV and wasn't it used by Liverpool hooligans? I was quite young at the time so I may have got that wrong though.

It would be impossible to decry the pain that the Hillsborough families have gone through and I am not trying to do so in any way. But the same must apply to the families of other football tragedies (eg Bradford, Glasgow) yet those cities have conducted themselves very differently.

 

[Kumquat]

I couldn't give a shit whether some old has-been twat of a politician accepts the evidence or not, and neither should they. The truth has come out, they don't need an apology from every person who ever said anything to the contrary.

I don't blame him to be honest, if I was enjoying my retirement comfortably with a couple of million in the bank and some two-bob local paper sharpened their knives for me I'd be tempted just to say whatever I thought would piss them off the most, even if I didn't believe it.

You sound almost as pleasant as he does.

 

[Kumquat]

Rather agree with this. Only in Liverpool.

I have often wondered about why Heysel has seemingly been forgotten about. I remember watching it happen on TV and wasn't it used by Liverpool hooligans? I was quite young at the time so I may have got that wrong though.

It would be impossible to decry the pain that the Hillsborough families have gone through and I am not trying to do so in any way. But the same must apply to the families of other football tragedies (eg Bradford, Glasgow) yet those cities have conducted themselves very differently.

They weren't subjected to a cover-up by the establishment that continued for over 23 years. And apart from that, they are separate incidents. If you want to talk about Heysel, fair enough. Talk about that. But to suggest that the way other cities conducted themselves in relation to separate incidents is relevant is wholly disingenuous. In relation to Hillsborough, it is how the newspaper the Sun, specific politicans and above all the police force conducted themselves that is the issue. And now Bernard Ingham. Again.

 

[Billy the Fish]

You sound almost as pleasant as he does.

I'm much more unpleasant, I would've thrown in some comments about pissing and pick pocketing for good measure, then sit back with a glass of wine in my villa in the Algarve, and watch them on the news going apoplectic outside their council houses in Anfield.

 

[Kumquat]

I'm much more unpleasant, I would've thrown in some comments about pissing and pick pocketing for good measure, then sit back with a glass of wine in my villa in the Algarve, and watch them on the news going apoplectic outside their council houses in Anfield.

Apologies. Didn't realise you were on a wind-up.

 

[8ace]

But the same must apply to the families of other football tragedies (eg Bradford, Glasgow) yet those cities have conducted themselves very differently.

A bit different as they happened at their own grounds and most people agreed they were caused by neglect of safety standards.
But yes scousers do like a moan.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Isn't most of the article just media spin by the paper trying to make more out of this than there really is? It's about a letter from 1996! and basically made to sound like he is saying this now, just because it has only recently been given to the Hillsborough family support group

“I am not playing games over this,” Sir Bernard said “I hope that I make this absolutely clear. I believe a political game is being played over this, and I am not [taking part].

“I am getting fed up about the way people are mucking about on this. It really is appalling, we had 96 people killed and the concern is not about them, it’s about the people who were not in the ground.

“A lot of this does not distinguish between the people who died and the people who were outside.”

Seems fair enough to me.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

In a strange way, it's almost comforting that one of the Thatcher gang is still as wrong-headed as ever. What an evil shower they were.

 

[Questions]

In a strange way, it's almost comforting that one of the Thatcher gang is still as wrong-headed as ever. What an evil shower they were.

I'm pretty indifferent to most politics nowadays and rarely get agitated by any of them but looking back at that mob still makes me feel a little nauseous. Maybe it was my age but I would like to think that they were the most odious bunch this country has ever had to endure. Ingram was right up there.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Apologies. Didn't realise you were on a wind-up.

My point still stands, even if I have taken it to extremes just for my own amusement.

I'll say it again, why do they give a shit what he thinks? The newspaper has obviously gone to him for a quote, knowing their audience already hate him, and got exactly what they needed to fill a few column inches and appeal to the people buying the paper. It all just stinks of trying to sell papers.

 

[Twinkle Toes]

Cake. Its a made up drug.

Stupid old tosser.

Aye (x2). Shame he didn't take his own advice and used his Cheese Box.