[Football] Ben White - Sings new FOUR year deal.

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

I don't think it's win-win at all. Not if we sell to Leeds.

We don't need to sell this window. That comes from Andy Naylor.

Ben White strengthens Leeds Utd literally and psychologically.
We need at least three teams to finish below us. Leeds may as well be one of them.

I'd like to be mid-table this season, but if we sell Ben White to Leeds and they finish in 17th and we finish in 18th that's going to be a bad decision.
He played every minute of their Championship winning campaign. He was their missing link.
Without him they are currently weaker than they were.

The only way it might be a win-win is we sell him to a team in another League or perhaps a top 6 team.

But I'd rather keep him. We shouldn't be selling him to Leeds. Whatever they are willing to pay is not worth as much as our place in the Premier League.

There is a price at which we will sell. If Leeds offer it we will sell. The club will have factored into the price everything you are unnecessarily worried about.

We do not want to sell or need to sell. Ben White is on a two or three year contract with us. These facts mean that the price is almost definitely out of Leeds' price range. And if it isn't they won't be spending any money on anyone else.

So, yes, it's a win win.

We either keep a highly promising young player with lots of potential or we receive an extravagantly exorbitant fee for him, a fee that the club are happy with and deem to be better value than actually keeping White.

For what it's worth I think White will be an Albion player this coming season.

 

[hampshirebrightonboy]

I don't think it's win-win at all. Not if we sell to Leeds.

We don't need to sell this window. That comes from Andy Naylor.

Ben White strengthens Leeds Utd literally and psychologically.
We need at least three teams to finish below us. Leeds may as well be one of them.

I'd like to be mid-table this season, but if we sell Ben White to Leeds and they finish in 17th and we finish in 18th that's going to be a bad decision.
He played every minute of their Championship winning campaign. He was their missing link.
Without him they are currently weaker than they were.

The only way it might be a win-win is we sell him to a team in another League or perhaps a top 6 team.

But I'd rather keep him. We shouldn't be selling him to Leeds. Whatever they are willing to pay is not worth as much as our place in the Premier League.

Totally agree with this.
The important thing for us to realise is there is absolutely no rush for us. There is for Leeds but we should not let them force the situation.
Just need to stay calm and trust in Tony.

 

[sphynx]

Another one!

Leeds fans please try to understand that the debt is for the building of the stadium and the training centre with Category A academy. Tony Bloom hasn't invested £300m to keep the club afloat, he spent it building the Amex Stadium without borrowing a penny from the bank. He then built this from his own pocket: http://www.psam.uk.com/official-opening-of-bhafc-new-training-ground. He has always ensured the club has worked within FFP rules and that player wages are, in EPL terms, low. His highly respected CEO has negotiated lucrative sponsorship deals for the stadium and for shirt sponsors for all of the clubs different teams with American Express. The club has received its share of the EPL TV money for the last three seasons. He was the first top league chairman to guarantee employee wages during lockdown, even paying matchday staff for all remaining games.

We know you want us to need to sell players, but unfortunately for you, we don't. If Tony Bloom chooses to sell anyone, it won't be because he is forced to, it will because he has planned to. If he has planned to, he won't be playing any games and you won't hear a single word out of his club until it has happened.

Yes, Leeds also achieved Category 1 status with their academy this year. They also achieved this without EPL TV revenues and without significant investment from a billionaire owner.

Oh but investment on facilities and infrastructure and losses on the balance sheet can only apply to Brighton though? sorry.

Leeds is just a much more sustainable model than Brighton at the moment. Revenue's will be at least 70m+ per year higher whilst they are on the same footing with premier league TV funding. Match day revenue and sponsorship is a hell of a lot higher even being out of the league for 16 years. They also aren't entering the league with a toxic wage bill, it's a clean slate so to speak.

The fight will be to maintain PL status, if they can consolidate I expect them to stay there consistently like Everton.

 

[BadFish]

. What is clear is that Ben wants to come.

All good I notice that by 'clear' you mean an un-named source that you know personally.

It may be 'clear' to you but i think the rest of us will need a little more convincing than that.

 

[BadFish]

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That is quite astounding.

It is amazing that a club can rate an employee so highly and yet not have them bound to a contract that matches their worth.

Oh, and we should probably offer Ben White an improved contract too.

 

[BadFish]

I know for certain he wants the move mate. I’m not just guessing at that either, I’m good friends myself with someone he’s recently been away on holiday with is all I’ll say. Doesn’t mean it’ll happen by any stretch as i’m sure if you guys make it clear he’s not going then he will have to honour that and rightly so. There’s also no way on earth that we’d be putting bids in for him if he hadn’t given the club the indication he wants to come.

At the end of the day the ball is in your court now but I do think it’s more than a fair price for him.

Perhaps you could ask your source why Ben hasn't handed in a transfer request?

If he wants to go then this is surely the simplest way to make that happen. Hand in a transfer request, we will surely accept it so he doesn't run down his contract and leave for free (to wherever Bielsa is managing ) at the end of it. Then negotiations can start.

 

[BadFish]

Leeds is just a much more sustainable model than Brighton at the moment. Revenue's will be at least 70m+ per year higher whilst they are on the same footing with premier league TV funding. Match day revenue and sponsorship is a hell of a lot higher even being out of the league for 16 years. They also aren't entering the league with a toxic wage bill, it's a clean slate so to speak.

You are going to need to break this down for us old bean. Where exactly are you going to pull 70+m from? (is Peter Risdale coming back as Chariman? )

The fight will be to maintain PL status, if they can consolidate I expect them to stay there consistently like Everton.

Everton have spent nigh on 120 years in the top flight.

You are surely not suggesting that if you stay up next season you will enjoy 120 years of uninterrupted top-flight action?

That would be approaching '#freebenwhite', 'Champions League in 2 seasons' or 'We won the 1975 European Cup' levels of delusion.

Are you beginning to see why we are enjoying this offseason so much?

 

[sdmartin1]

I guess this 'saga' has given us something to talk about throughout the short offseason but the Leeds fans delusion is becoming rather tedious to me now.

Roll on a couple of weeks time to the beginning of the season, where we still haven't sold White - and Leeds have bolstered their top 10 squad by buying players from elsewhere.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

I know for certain he wants the move mate. I’m not just guessing at that either, I’m good friends myself with someone he’s recently been away on holiday with is all I’ll say. Doesn’t mean it’ll happen by any stretch as i’m sure if you guys make it clear he’s not going then he will have to honour that and rightly so. There’s also no way on earth that we’d be putting bids in for him if he hadn’t given the club the indication he wants to come.

At the end of the day the ball is in your court now but I do think it’s more than a fair price for him.

Two of the bingo phrase now:

It's clear he wants to go
It's a fair price

 

[lizard]

Yes, Leeds also achieved Category 1 status with their academy this year. They also achieved this without EPL TV revenues and without significant investment from a billionaire owner.

Oh but investment on facilities and infrastructure and losses on the balance sheet can only apply to Brighton though? sorry.

Leeds is just a much more sustainable model than Brighton at the moment. Revenue's will be at least 70m+ per year higher whilst they are on the same footing with premier league TV funding. Match day revenue and sponsorship is a hell of a lot higher even being out of the league for 16 years. They also aren't entering the league with a toxic wage bill, it's a clean slate so to speak.

The fight will be to maintain PL status, if they can consolidate I expect them to stay there consistently like Everton.

Walk away my friend, drugs are bad.

 

[brightn'ove]

I know for certain he wants the move mate. I’m not just guessing at that either, I’m good friends myself with someone he’s recently been away on holiday with is all I’ll say. Doesn’t mean it’ll happen by any stretch as i’m sure if you guys make it clear he’s not going then he will have to honour that and rightly so. There’s also no way on earth that we’d be putting bids in for him if he hadn’t given the club the indication he wants to come.

At the end of the day the ball is in your court now but I do think it’s more than a fair price for him.

You do realise that the fact that every Leeds fan in the country right now apparently is ‘good friends with somebody who was on holiday with Ben White’ really devalues and discredits this statement.

 

[Hamilton]

I know for certain he wants the move mate. I’m not just guessing at that either, I’m good friends myself with someone he’s recently been away on holiday with is all I’ll say. Doesn’t mean it’ll happen by any stretch as i’m sure if you guys make it clear he’s not going then he will have to honour that and rightly so. There’s also no way on earth that we’d be putting bids in for him if he hadn’t given the club the indication he wants to come.

At the end of the day the ball is in your court now but I do think it’s more than a fair price for him.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Just to add a bit of perspective from a Leeds point of view. It seems whatever happens will now be sorted in the next few days as we need to move on if the deal isn’t going to happen. What is clear is that Ben wants to come and from my understanding the offer on the table will be our final one. I’m hearing it’s 25m rising to 30m possibly 35m down the line. Personally I think it’s a lot to pay and I can’t see a better offer coming in from anyone else. I understand and respect that he’s your player and I’m sure TB will do as he see’s fit. I guess the next step in all of this now is for Ben to put a transfer request in and then it’s whether you guys want a player who wants away to be potentially going for cheaper this time next season due to his contract running down.

I’d personally love him to come as he was truly outstanding for us last season and I have no doubt at all he can handle the step up to the prem. That said I’m also confident that the alternative we’re looking at in Koch who would be 15m cheaper would be excellent too under Bielsa’s guidance. The difference is White is already upto speed with us so there’s no risk of needing to bed him in. Whatever happens I’ll always be thankful for last season and how he helped finally get us back up.

We can keep him for three years on his existing contract, but thanks for your concern.

Re valuation - the papers say our guide price is £50m. So, Leeds are a bit short atm if they want to be taken seriously. Oh, and don’t dither. Every big club in the land is also interested.

Agreed, he is a fine player - that was obvious in the Newport season. Credit to Leeds for furthering his development.

Here’s a tip of my own - have Leeds thought about asking for Haydon Roberts on loan? He’s another good one. Or Matt Clark? Steep loan fee with him though.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

We can keep him for three years on his existing contract, but thanks for your concern.

His agent would be long sacked before those 3 years were up.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Serious question for Leeds fans on here. If white does put in a transfer request and it is refused what do you think happens then? DR suggests he will run down his contract. Is that likely? Potentially three years when he could develop massively and push for England (remember euros and World Cup in next two years) and for a big club. Seriously, do any of you really think he would be prepared to sit about on relatively poor wages and wait three years? Looks at the pros and cons for Ben doing this

Pros
After three years he will be out of contract and can chose to play where he wants. Where will that be? Leeds? Will Bielsa still be there? Will Leeds still be in the prem?

Cons
Three years on low wages
Three years without premier league football meaning the current 18,19,20 year olds will replace him as the next hot young thing
A reputation as a bad egg who doesn’t honour contracts
No chance of playing for England
Likely to get worse as a footballer and who knows could lose the sharpness and drift out of the game. Heck he could get injured in the under 23s and never get the big contract

I am genuinely interested in whether Leeds fans think he will just throw toys out of the Pram and go on strike.

Or is it more likely that he will either take it on the chin and earn a first team sport or even sulk for a bit and by November realise that three years is a long time and then apologise and take it on the chin.

Have I missed the pros for white of going on strike if he can’t force a move?

Going on strike would be career suicide.

At that point the Albion could well give him the choice of the U23s or another Championship loan.

 

[s5.bha]

Really think this 3rd bid is the final roll of the dice to get Bielsa to sign his contract................
I reckon he will walk.....

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[sphynx]

You are going to need to break this down for us old bean. Where exactly are you going to pull 70+m from? (is Peter Risdale coming back as Chariman? )



Everton have spent nigh on 120 years in the top flight.

You are surely not suggesting that if you stay up next season you will enjoy 120 years of uninterrupted top-flight action?

That would be approaching '#freebenwhite', 'Champions League in 2 seasons' or 'We won the 1975 European Cup' levels of delusion.

Are you beginning to see why we are enjoying this offseason so much?

You do realize how big the Leeds-Bradford area is don't you?

It's much larger than Liverpool and it's not shared by two clubs.

Kinnear has stated that with TV revenue, new kit deals and a new major sponsor, they are forecasting Leeds will be in the top 7 of EPL revenue earners in 2020.

West Ham were 7th with revenue of ~£190M in 2019. Tottenham were 6th with ~£365M . Leeds will slot in somewhere probably north of £200M.

Everton were 8th. Brighton were 15th with £132M.

Leeds revenue absolutely dwarfed the next largest in the Championship and that includes the likes Fulhum, Derby, West Brom, Middlesbrough, Forest, Swansea, Cardiff etc.

You can talk shit about them as much as possible regarding White, call their fans ****ing idiots etc, but their fans rock up, they pay their hard earned. They are one of the biggest kit sellers in the UK and have 30k on their waiting list for a season ticket at ER, they would be able to sell it out two times over this coming season if the fans were allowed back.. Commercially, they are a huge club. and given any sort of ongoing success, probably have as much potential growth to reach the next tier of someone like Tottenham's revenue level as any other side in the league.

Including your beloved Everton.

They haven't broken the bank buying their way into the league under Bielsa, infact they've spent basically nothing in the previous 2 transfer windows. Low wage bill etc means if they consolidate in the PL, they will probably improve fairly rapidly with a lot of net income at their disposal. Especially when you think how much Everton and West Ham have unloaded in the transfer market recently and they will have very comparable revenue levels.

So enjoy the shithousery, but hope like hell they get relegated, because you have all of about 12 more weeks to enjoy any sort of financial advantage over them.

 

[Taybha]

I'm facebook friends with a Leeds fan , he said the world is flat , I thanked him as I was thinking about going on a cruise.

 

[phoenix]

Let’s be honest - if Duffy is on 40k/week and has been a first team player, and we want White to replace him I’m sure his agent is pushing for at least that deal.

Either we don’t want him on that wage because perhaps it sends the wrong message to other U23s, or we want to be sure we can offload Duffy first before committing to that kind of money.

Or he knows Leeds will pay 50k/week odd and if we are turning down £30M bids then his agent will be saying we should be paying wages in-line with the bids we are rejecting

Like most apprentices or Trainees you have to prove yourself at the same level as your colleagues to earn the same rewards. Ben hasn't played at the top level. YET.

 

[Bish Bosh]

You do realize how big the Leeds-Bradford area is don't you?

It's much larger than Liverpool and it's not shared by two clubs.

Kinnear has stated that with TV revenue, new kit deals and a new major sponsor, they are forecasting Leeds will be in the top 7 of EPL revenue earners in 2020.

West Ham were 7th with revenue of ~£190M in 2019. Arsenal were 6th with ~£365M . Leeds will slot in somewhere probably north of £200M.

Everton were 8th. Brighton were 15th with £132M.

Leeds revenue absolutely dwarfed the next largest in the Championship and that includes the likes Fulhum, Derby, West Brom, Middlesbrough, Forest, Swansea, Cardiff etc.

You can talk shit about them as much as possible regarding White, call their fans ****ing idiots etc, but their fans rock up, they pay their hard earned. They are one of the biggest kit sellers in the UK and have 30k on their waiting list for a season ticket at ER. Commercially, they are a huge club.

Two clubs in the Leeds/ Bradford area i.e. Leeds and Bradford surely! You also don't mention the huge Rugby League interest in West Yorkshire.

LUFC do have a very large fanbase though...anyone would acknowledge that.