[Football] Ben White - Sings new FOUR year deal.

[DJ NOBO]

The ultimate easy decision in hindsight.

Had he done this and taken a booking and then got caught out with another booking later, voices would be complaining that what a cheap and unnecessary booking the first one was!

Nah .
He should have taken the yellow.
It was obvious at the time.
Although the non marking of laca was worse

 

[herecomesaregular]

Nah .
He should have taken the yellow.
It was obvious at the time.
Although the non marking of laca was worse

Nah, it was obvious just after the time (they scored).

 

[Lower West Stander]

I'm still not sure the big clubs are in for him as reported in the press. One decent season in the EFL doesn't make a 40m player, Watkins went for a fair bit less than that.

He hasn't really done anything this season and if they didn't want him in the summer why do they want him now? I think his agent is talking him up.

Wait for him to go to Man U now I've said that.....

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

The ultimate easy decision in hindsight.

Had he done this and taken a booking and then got caught out with another booking later, voices would be complaining that what a cheap and unnecessary booking the first one was!

That wouldn't have been a cheap booking.

Go and watch the highlights, both of our centre midfielders were in the opposition half and Dunk and Webster were pushed right up.

As soon as Saka goes past Burn we were done for. Taking one for the team was the obvious move.

 

[SAC]

In hindsight £25 million was an excellent offer from Dirty Leeds, I suspect that he is worth a lot less now. £15-20 million maybe but it all depends if other teams think he has been used poorly this season and they could get more out of him.

And, I do think he was unwise to join in the twitter spat, not a good look.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

For me, a lot of our problems start in the centre of defence.

We have been forced to play three at the back for two reasons. First, the need to accommodate Lamptey and the newly reborn Solly March as wing backs. And also, to some extent, by the arrival of Veltman at a price too good to turn down (which is Mrs Not Andy Naylor's approach to 'bargains' that we don't really need) and the return of White, which means that we have all these central defenders that have to be fitted in somewhere.

Playing three at the back solves both problems to some extent but has anyone else ever wondered whether it suits our personnel? I don't think it does. Dunk and White have both had their best seasons in a pair. Webster looks ill at ease on the left. White has to play somewhere but moving him into midfield has got in Alzate's way.

Liverpool get away with playing a back four but with Alexander-Arnold and Robertson high up the pitch because (until this season) they had pace in the centre and also Henderson sitting deep in midfield to cover breakaways. I don't think we could get away with that. Unless maybe White played the Henderson role and allowed Bissouma to get further forward.

 

[herecomesaregular]

For me, a lot of our problems start in the centre of defence.

We have been forced to play three at the back for two reasons. First, the need to accommodate Lamptey and the newly reborn Solly March as wing backs. And also, to some extent, by the arrival of Veltman at a price too good to turn down (which is Mrs Not Andy Naylor's approach to 'bargains' that we don't really need) and the return of White, which means that we have all these central defenders that have to be fitted in somewhere.

Playing three at the back solves both problems to some extent but has anyone else ever wondered whether it suits our personnel? I don't think it does. Dunk and White have both had their best seasons in a pair. Webster looks ill at ease on the left. White has to play somewhere but moving him into midfield has got in Alzate's way.

Liverpool get away with playing a back four but with Alexander-Arnold and Robertson high up the pitch because (until this season) they had pace in the centre and also Henderson sitting deep in midfield to cover breakaways. I don't think we could get away with that. Unless maybe White played the Henderson role and allowed Bissouma to get further forward.

Hard to disagree with any of this tbf. White's terrific form at Leeds was maybe a bit of an early surprise, I understand we had been pursuing Veltman before Potter arrived (and so cheap!) I think this has caused it's own problems. Aswell as no leftback!

All very good defenders, with Lamptey, yet not working well as a unit in the different permutations tried so far. If we can crack this then maybe the upfront issue may become less significant, as things flow better from the back.

 

[Bombadier Botty]

In hindsight £25 million was an excellent offer from Dirty Leeds, I suspect that he is worth a lot less now. £15-20 million maybe but it all depends if other teams think he has been used poorly this season and they could get more out of him.

And, I do think he was unwise to join in the twitter spat, not a good look.

Yep, should have sold. Doubt he wanted to return here, and the slightly odd haircut has done him no favours.

 

[Seasider78]

If we can scout this player, match his wage demands and convince him to join us rather than one of our competitors who are further from the drop zone, then what you propose possibly makes sense. Those are huge if's

Every other January we've been comfortable in the league and not been able to recruit this player, every summer we've we've failed to recruit from a position of relative strength. Now we look to recruit from a much weaker position.

Agree that is a challenge and one that we keep failing at. For me I think we are going to have to break both our transfer record and our wage structure to get in someone who can make a difference as strikers in our range would be £30m + sizeable wages.

The club seems reluctant to spend those sums on a single player but it’s about striking a balance between securing the bargains in other areas of the pitch (Lamptey, Groß), bringing through youth but knowing that at the business end of the pitch you sometimes have to pay over the odds.

 

[nwgull]

Agree that is a challenge and one that we keep failing at. For me I think we are going to have to break both our transfer record and our wage structure to get in someone who can make a difference as strikers in our range would be £30m + sizeable wages.

The club seems reluctant to spend those sums on a single player but it’s about striking a balance between securing the bargains in other areas of the pitch (Lamptey, Groß), bringing through youth but knowing that at the business end of the pitch you sometimes have to pay over the odds.

What was our bid for Nunez? I thought it was in the region of 25-30m. Not sure he’s have been the answer though as he’s not exactly been prolific for them in the Portuguese league with only 2 in 10 starts.

 

[Acker79]

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I’m not sure why she mentioned Covid, her comments don’t actually make much sense.
Leeds won 6 and drew 1 out of 9 before lockdown. [games 29-37]
Leeds won 7 and drew 1 out of 9 after lockdown. [games 38-46]

One extra win big deal

You are looking at their record before lockdown and comparing it to the record after lockdown which misses the point. I've seen similar defences from Leeds when others have mentioned the break helping them. It isn't that they were failing before the lockdown and the break allowed them to reset, but about the difference having a break made compared to not having a break, which needs to be compared to the previous season.

In 2018/19
Leeds won 6 and drew 1 out of the 9 in games 29-37
Leeds won 3 and drew 1 out of their last 9 in games 38-46

Their game 29-37 records are identical. Without a break to rest and recover, they won half as many games in their final 9 games as they did the 9 before that, winning 12 fewer points than the comparative section of the 2019/20 season. Which wipes out the 10 points they won the title by, it drops them to 81 points, which is the same as Brentford and Fulham in 3rd and 4th place. Fulham were one of the teams they beat in their final 9 games after a break and Brentford had the same GD as Leeds, and if Leeds lose those 4 extra games as they did the year before, their GD is reduced.


(Yes, this is all moot, it's a bunch of what ifs, and such, but this is intended to explain the thinking behind how the break helped - it isn't about before and after the break, it's about with or without the break).

 

[Seasider78]

What was our bid for Nunez? I thought it was in the region of 25-30m. Not sure he’s have been the answer though as he’s not exactly been prolific for them in the Portuguese league with only 2 in 10 starts.

It was £25m but I think we stepped out when the player made it clear he wanted to go to Benfica but agree he is hardly pulling up trees!!

I like the look of Dia but talks broke down on that one so not sure what made us walk away

 

[BN9 BHA]

You are looking at their record before lockdown and comparing it to the record after lockdown which misses the point. I've seen similar defences from Leeds when others have mentioned the break helping them. It isn't that they were failing before the lockdown and the break allowed them to reset, but about the difference having a break made compared to not having a break, which needs to be compared to the previous season.

In 2018/19
Leeds won 6 and drew 1 out of the 9 in games 29-37
Leeds won 3 and drew 1 out of their last 9 in games 38-46

Their game 29-37 records are identical. Without a break to rest and recover, they won half as many games in their final 9 games as they did the 9 before that, winning 12 fewer points than the comparative section of the 2019/20 season. Which wipes out the 10 points they won the title by, it drops them to 81 points, which is the same as Brentford and Fulham in 3rd and 4th place. Fulham were one of the teams they beat in their final 9 games after a break and Brentford had the same GD as Leeds, and if Leeds lose those 4 extra games as they did the year before, their GD is reduced.


(Yes, this is all moot, it's a bunch of what ifs, and such, but this is intended to explain the thinking behind how the break helped - it isn't about before and after the break, it's about with or without the break).

All well explained thank you, but none of this was mentioned by the female pundit was it?
There was no mention in the BBC news link ( the part I have copied in the post you replied to )

Leeds fans, Twitter admin and many other football fans just heard “ did Covid help them get promoted? “ and then said 5 games unbeaten before the lockdown, what’s she on about?


As you can see the first 3 games after lockdown they won 1 out of the first 3 before the unbeaten run of games.

 

[Acker79]

All well explained thank you, but none of this was mentioned by the female pundit was it?
There was no mention in the BBC news link ( the part I have copied in the post you replied to )

Leeds fans, Twitter admin and many other football fans just heard “ did Covid help them get promoted? “ and then said 5 games unbeaten before the lockdown, what’s she on about?

A bit to unpack there.

Why mention again that the pundit is female? It's completely irrelevant, or should be, shouldn't it? We're not discussing multiple pundits and need to clarify which one we're talking about. And if we did need to identify her, what's wrong with 'Karen Carney'?

When do pundits (female or male) ever really go into such a break down of their point?

That the Leeds fans (and Ben White) just heard 'did Covid help them get promoted?' is part of the problem. The club twitter feed have stripped her comments of context in order to make it look worse. In the context of the discussion and the break it becomes clear that she is making the same point many people have made - Leeds rely on a high energy heavy press that leads to players tiring in the latter part of the season as evidenced by the previous season. A point that Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank can be heard agreeing with ("Spot on"). Yes, saying 'covid helped' is a clunky way of expressing it, but the context makes it clear what she meant.

The BBC report is, I presume without a link, an article about the abuse she faced when the Leeds team twitter feed invited a pile on. So of course they're not going to give a complete and full sporting analysis. The abuse that resulted from the Leeds official account cherry picking and misrepresenting her comments was the story, not the accuracy of her punditry.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Nah, it was obvious just after the time (they scored).

(Unfortunately) It’s standard practice for a defender to bring down an attacker when they are surging forward like that. I don’t want to get stuck into Burn as he gives everything and is often played out of position . But he made a mistake there.
I literally shouted “take him out” at the tv, as it happened.
Like I said - the space given to lacazette was a far bigger offence. Terrible defending

 

[BN9 BHA]

Why mention again that the pundit is female? It's completely irrelevant,

Because she is

 

[Quinney]

That wouldn't have been a cheap booking.

Go and watch the highlights, both of our centre midfielders were in the opposition half and Dunk and Webster were pushed right up.

As soon as Saka goes past Burn we were done for. Taking one for the team was the obvious move.

Said exactly the same at the time. It’s basic defending at any level. Having got to tight trying to nick the ball the only option was to bring him down or let him have a clear run.


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[BN9 BHA]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55485336

A bit to unpack there.

Why mention again that the pundit is female? It's completely irrelevant, or should be, shouldn't it? We're not discussing multiple pundits and need to clarify which one we're talking about. And if we did need to identify her, what's wrong with 'Karen Carney'?

When do pundits (female or male) ever really go into such a break down of their point?

That the Leeds fans (and Ben White) just heard 'did Covid help them get promoted?' is part of the problem. The club twitter feed have stripped her comments of context in order to make it look worse. In the context of the discussion and the break it becomes clear that she is making the same point many people have made - Leeds rely on a high energy heavy press that leads to players tiring in the latter part of the season as evidenced by the previous season. A point that Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank can be heard agreeing with ("Spot on"). Yes, saying 'covid helped' is a clunky way of expressing it, but the context makes it clear what she meant.

The BBC report is, I presume without a link, an article about the abuse she faced when the Leeds team twitter feed invited a pile on. So of course their not going to give a complete and full sporting analysis. The abuse that resulted from the Leeds official account cherry picking and misrepresenting her comments was the story, not the accuracy of her punditry.

Link on post above.

 

[Stat Brother]

That wouldn't have been a cheap booking.

Go and watch the highlights, both of our centre midfielders were in the opposition half and Dunk and Webster were pushed right up.

As soon as Saka goes past Burn we were done for. Taking one for the team was the obvious move.

I don't think we were done for, even then.
But I reckon if xG was on some kind of 'live rolling tracker' from the moment BDB was turned I doubt the number would have ever gone down or even paused.

A lot of Albion players did everything possible to allow The Cassette to score.

As you say DBD didn't take one for the team.
He might even have kicked the ball forward for Saka.

Groß and Biss were further from Cassette at the end of the move than the beginning, remember he had to steady himself, take a touch (?) place his shot.

Webster and Dunk did nothing.

Veltman and Sanchez (much less so) did nothing and more importantly said nothing, a scream of "penalty spot" could have reduced the xG.

7 Albion players, 5 experienced in the Premier League, one Champion's League semi finalist and a rookie keeper v 2 Arsenal players.



That's not a good look.

 

[dazzer6666]

That wouldn't have been a cheap booking.

Go and watch the highlights, both of our centre midfielders were in the opposition half and Dunk and Webster were pushed right up.

As soon as Saka goes past Burn we were done for. Taking one for the team was the obvious move.

Burn should have pulled him down, but Dunk and/or Webster had to do more to close Lacazette down. Look at their positioning as he shoots......regardless of where they were beforehand, they’d got back (along with Veltman).