[Football] Ben White - Sings new FOUR year deal.

[peterward]

Agreed.

However £22,000,000 is only halfway to the money being right so Leeds can f*ck off.

whatever his true value, Leeds can f*ck off

 

[nwgull]

You wouldn't consider Chris Wood then? Apparently could be going to Lazio.

I would take him on.

So would I. Chris Wood is a far more valuable player than March.

 

[vagabond]

Ben White

How is keeping him going to take us forward? We have no issues in defence.

To me you're contradicting yourself in suggesting how Leeds will struggle next season yet not acknowledging Ben could too.

You wrongly suggest his value can only go one way.

You're over valuing a player which we don't necessarily need in our squad next season.

You haven't acknowledged his value could actually fall given a poor season or bad injury.

He is an unknown quantity against sides with the quality the majority of teams have in the PL.

If the money is right we would be stupid not to take it.

I still don’t get it. Sorry. Why you’re so keen to let him go.

- His value is likely to increase in the coming seasons, at worst would likely remain the same. Accepting £20 odd million now would be a colossal mistake financially

- Selling to a potential relegation rival would equally be a mistake

- We know first hand that Webster has started to become a strong player for us after a wobbly start. Ben was even more impressive in the Championship then him.

- Do we need the money? That seems to be the crux of your argument. Well we have a huge squad. And there are numerous players we could sell before Ben White

- “we don’t need Ben White” wtf? Are we Man City? One of the hottest English properties going and we don’t need him. Sorry don’t get that either.

- “We can’t play him every week”, sure, but that’s the same for all our players bar maybe Dunk and Matty Ryan. Potter doesn’t have a “this is my best 11” mindset. This is part of being a stronger club.

The only scenario where it could be prudent to sell White now, would be if a Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool come in a ridiculous offer. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense for footballing or financial reasons.

Keeping Ben White would be a statement of ambition by the club. Bending over to the first half assed derisory offer would be the complete opposite.

 

[hampshirebrightonboy]

I still don’t get it. Sorry. Why you’re so keen to let him go.

- His value is likely to increase in the coming seasons, at worst would likely remain the same. Accepting £20 odd million now would be a colossal mistake financially

- Selling to a potential relegation rival would equally be a mistake

- We know first hand that Webster has started to become a strong player for us after a wobbly start. Ben was even more impressive in the Championship then him.

- Do we need the money? That seems to be the crux of your argument. Well we have a huge squad. And there are numerous players we could sell before Ben White

- “we don’t need Ben White” wtf? Are we Man City? One of the hottest English properties going and we don’t need him. Sorry don’t get that either.

- “We can’t play him every week”, sure, but that’s the same for all our players bar maybe Dunk and Matty Ryan. Potter doesn’t have a “this is my best 11” mindset. This is part of being a stronger club.

The only scenario where it could be prudent to sell White now, would be if a Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool come in a ridiculous offer. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense for footballing or financial reasons.

Keeping Ben White would be a statement of ambition by the club. Bending over to the first half assed derisory offer would be the complete opposite.

Did Man City need Phil Foden last year?
Why didn't they get rid?

 

[b.w.2.]

I still don’t get it. Sorry. Why you’re so keen to let him go.

- His value is likely to increase in the coming seasons, at worst would likely remain the same. Accepting £20 odd million now would be a colossal mistake financially

- Selling to a potential relegation rival would equally be a mistake

- We know first hand that Webster has started to become a strong player for us after a wobbly start. Ben was even more impressive in the Championship then him.

- Do we need the money? That seems to be the crux of your argument. Well we have a huge squad. And there are numerous players we could sell before Ben White

- “we don’t need Ben White” wtf? Are we Man City? One of the hottest English properties going and we don’t need him. Sorry don’t get that either.

- “We can’t play him every week”, sure, but that’s the same for all our players bar maybe Dunk and Matty Ryan. Potter doesn’t have a “this is my best 11” mindset. This is part of being a stronger club.

The only scenario where it could be prudent to sell White now, would be if a Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool come in a ridiculous offer. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense for footballing or financial reasons.

Keeping Ben White would be a statement of ambition by the club. Bending over to the first half assed derisory offer would be the complete opposite.

100% this. Best post in this thread


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[Mancgull]

I still don’t get it. Sorry. Why you’re so keen to let him go.

- His value is likely to increase in the coming seasons, at worst would likely remain the same. Accepting £20 odd million now would be a colossal mistake financially

- Selling to a potential relegation rival would equally be a mistake

- We know first hand that Webster has started to become a strong player for us after a wobbly start. Ben was even more impressive in the Championship then him.

- Do we need the money? That seems to be the crux of your argument. Well we have a huge squad. And there are numerous players we could sell before Ben White

- “we don’t need Ben White” wtf? Are we Man City? One of the hottest English properties going and we don’t need him. Sorry don’t get that either. “We can’t play him every week”, sure, but that’s the same for all our players bar maybe Dunk and Matty Ryan. Potter doesn’t have a “this is my best 11” mindset.

The only scenario where it could be prudent to sell White now, would be if a Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool come in a ridiculous offer. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense for footballing or financial reasons.

Keeping Ben White would be a statement of ambition by the club. Bending over to the first half assed derisory offer would be the complete opposite.

I'll add to this by saying that Chelsea, Liverpool and I believe City and United are all keeping tabs on him. How many Brighton players can we say that of, now or in the past?
Also Southgate has said that it's not inconceivable that he'd get an England call up along with Kalvin Philips of Leeds.
He obviously will have to develop further but good players at 22 usually improve.
It's a vital statement of intent that we don't sell our best players, just those where we think that by replacing them we'll improve, whilst balancing the books.
Let's show some ambition FFS.

 

[Clive Walker]

if BW hands in a transfer request, does that change anything?

don't recall it made difference to Dale Stephens 3/4 seasons back.

 

[Originunknown]

He probably won't be in the first team for the first game of the season and will have to fight for a chance, and he has to learn our style and where he fits.

In time he will know we're a pretty damn fine club ourselves. GP will want to get him game time - and will feel pressured to give him game time - so he will be out there, but he won't be the number one defender in our team. This is still development and too much pressure may harm him. There are potentially more pitfalls at Leeds - if the team starts shipping goals and he isn't ready to be under concerted pressure by world class strikers, he will find himself in the firing line game in game out - and as the centre piece of their defence, nowhere to hide. But Bielsa IS a top coach, and he knows he'll be in good hands there. When he gets to know Potter he'll understand the same at Brighton.

Development is rarely linear, and White has barely had a setback in his career to date. How that affects him mentally we don't know - but he must be confident, and thus confident to push for a move at his age? But there are bound to be difficulties next season, and how he deals with them will determine if he goes to the top top level. The big clubs will be talking to him already, they probably won't pay £25m now because they'll think nothing of paying £40m if he proves himself - but they'll be laying the groundwork to try and get White to choose them when the time comes.

As for TB, it's a fiddly situation and will be guided by the scouts I expect. Can we afford to have a £25m asset on the bench, being slowly developed, when we could invest that and more up front? Could his value have peaked, he has never failed in his career but tougher times lie ahead. How will we feel if we keep him and find ourselves struggling with poor performances from White, having turned down that cash.

So much of our planning is for the long term, so if they stick to their guns we'll keep him and develop him. If they sell its because they have determined that the money - and what we can do with it now - is a better decision. Dunk Webster Clarke Veltman is hardly a poor selection of CBs (maybe Dunk's future holds the key). And if we sell it will surely be Leeds, and we shouldn't begrudge that to Ben for his career, regardless of the idiot Leeds fans.

Great post with a firm grip on reality and unproven youth prospects.

 

[Swansman]

How is keeping him going to take us forward? We have no issues in defence.

To me you're contradicting yourself in suggesting how Leeds will struggle next season yet not acknowledging Ben could too.

You wrongly suggest his value can only go one way.

You're over valuing a player which we don't necessarily need in our squad next season.

You haven't acknowledged his value could actually fall given a poor season or bad injury.

He is an unknown quantity against sides with the quality the majority of teams have in the PL.

If the money is right we would be stupid not to take it.

Both Potter & Bielsa have absurd track records when it comes to identifying and developing talent, and they are both desperate to have him. The step between Championship is overrated - most players who do really well in the Championship also does well in the PL. The reason why newly promoted teams often struggle to survive is that they either sign too much weird foreign shit or keep too many of the average Championship players. The ones who were great in the Championship generally carries it over to the PL since a good player is a good player.

 

[Clive Walker]

Both Potter & Bielsa have absurd track records when it comes to identifying and developing talent, and they are both desperate to have him. The step between Championship is overrated - most players who do really well in the Championship also does well in the PL. The reason why newly promoted teams often struggle to survive is that they either sign too much weird foreign shit or keep too many of the average Championship players. The ones who were great in the Championship generally carries it over to the PL since a good player is a good player.

Totally disagree.

 

[Swansman]

Totally disagree.

aight

 

[JBizzle]

I still don’t get it. Sorry. Why you’re so keen to let him go.

- His value is likely to increase in the coming seasons, at worst would likely remain the same. Accepting £20 odd million now would be a colossal mistake financially

- Selling to a potential relegation rival would equally be a mistake

- We know first hand that Webster has started to become a strong player for us after a wobbly start. Ben was even more impressive in the Championship then him.

- Do we need the money? That seems to be the crux of your argument. Well we have a huge squad. And there are numerous players we could sell before Ben White

- “we don’t need Ben White” wtf? Are we Man City? One of the hottest English properties going and we don’t need him. Sorry don’t get that either.

- “We can’t play him every week”, sure, but that’s the same for all our players bar maybe Dunk and Matty Ryan. Potter doesn’t have a “this is my best 11” mindset. This is part of being a stronger club.

The only scenario where it could be prudent to sell White now, would be if a Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool come in a ridiculous offer. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense for footballing or financial reasons.

Keeping Ben White would be a statement of ambition by the club. Bending over to the first half assed derisory offer would be the complete opposite.

Great, great post. I'd also add that White could easily be Stephen's long-term replacement at the base of the midfield. When we play 3 at the back, White is literally made to play with Webster, either side of the outstanding Lewis Dunk. There's something really exciting about a back 5 of all English defenders (which after all, is one of Ashworth's USPs when he came in):

Lamptey-Webster-Dunk-White-Burn

And that's if we don't upgrade BDB. Why on EARTH would we willingly sacrifice that? Or a White, Bissouma, Lallana, Propper midfield? I'm with you, we're either ambitious and gunning for a top 10 finish, or we're going to settle into the cosy role of handing off our best players whenever an offer comes in from one of the big boys (and sorry Leeds, that ain't you - This isn't 1996)

 

[Munkfish]

I know NSC is full of some odd sorts, but you're talking shite if you think that we'd be getting excited at signing a utility squad player from a lower half side. And England caps at U21 level mean nothing when you're 26. Solly was a good Championship player for us, but he's no more than held his own at PL level.

Bit like comparing us to signing Will Hughes from Watford in my opinion, would not be overally excited, but would think the club must have done their homework.

 

[Icy Gull]

Both Potter & Bielsa have absurd track records when it comes to identifying and developing talent, and they are both desperate to have him. The step between Championship is overrated - most players who do really well in the Championship also does well in the PL. The reason why newly promoted teams often struggle to survive is that they either sign too much weird foreign shit or keep too many of the average Championship players. The ones who were great in the Championship generally carries it over to the PL since a good player is a good player.

Anthony Knockaert, player of the season in the Championship, struggled in the PL

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

Anthony Knockaert, player of the season in the Championship, struggled in the PL

I can’t be faffed to list them all but there a literally hundreds of players who were top Championship players but simply couldn’t cut it in the Premier League, I suspect Leeds will have a few of these.

 

[Stat Brother]

I can’t be faffed to list them all but there a literally hundreds of players who were top Championship players but simply couldn’t cut it in the Premier League, I suspect Leeds will have a few of these.

Along with their manager even in the seemingly now unlikely event of Elsa staying.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

It’s because deep down they are all thinking the same as this bloke

If you continue reading that thread he’s quite worried, but every other arrogant scrote can’t see it.

 

[stewart_weir]

Sussex Live Via Talksport -

Leeds United legend Jermaine Beckford admits he'd love to see Ben White extend his stay at Elland Road.

The former striker was speaking about the 22-year old's future on TalkSport alongside fellow former forward Darren Bent, and believes White himself may well be in a position to force through a move to West Yorkshire if he so chooses.

"He can appeal directly to the managers or the owners," he said. "If he wants to leave Brighton and go to Leeds, he can appeal to them on a personal level and say 'I've really enjoyed my time here, but I've really enjoyed myself when I was over there.

"Is there any way we can make this happen?

"Becuase he's done so well, and he's got used to a certain way of playing football as well, which is Marcelo Bielsa's way at Leeds. It suits him perfectly."

However, Beckford's point was cut short by journalist Alex Crook, who pointed out that Bielsa's philosophy of building out from the back is one also favoured by Brighton boss Graham Potter, adding that White would subsequently find it easier to adapt to life at the Amex.

https://www.sussexlive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leeds-united-legends-ben-white-4412138

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

To go with the freebenwhite.org campaign they now have freebenwhite web page. Losers, utter losers.
https://www.freebenwhite.com/

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

Sussex Live Via Talksport -

Leeds United legend Jermaine Beckford admits he'd love to see Ben White extend his stay at Elland Road.

The former striker was speaking about the 22-year old's future on TalkSport alongside fellow former forward Darren Bent, and believes White himself may well be in a position to force through a move to West Yorkshire if he so chooses.

"He can appeal directly to the managers or the owners," he said. "If he wants to leave Brighton and go to Leeds, he can appeal to them on a personal level and say 'I've really enjoyed my time here, but I've really enjoyed myself when I was over there.

"Is there any way we can make this happen?

"Becuase he's done so well, and he's got used to a certain way of playing football as well, which is Marcelo Bielsa's way at Leeds. It suits him perfectly."

However, Beckford's point was cut short by journalist Alex Crook, who pointed out that Bielsa's philosophy of building out from the back is one also favoured by Brighton boss Graham Potter, adding that White would subsequently find it easier to adapt to life at the Amex.

https://www.sussexlive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leeds-united-legends-ben-white-4412138

Lol. It’s a trait with all who are associated with Leeds Utd, they genuinely believe that Bielsa invented the wheel, feck me will they be surprised to see that crappy little perennial strugglers Brighton can pass the arse off anyone on our day, especially a team with Liam Cooper in defence