Hannibal smith
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Beckham left out of Capellos squad
- Thread starter Guy Fawkes
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It amazes me that some people can tie their shoe laces and get to work on time especially in cold weather.
Marshy
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OWEN is out also.
Agbonlahor in.
Agbonlahor in.
Guy Fawkes
The voice of treason
- Sep 29, 2007
- 8,297
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What message would it send out to other potential England players to be ommitted despite playing regularly and well or someone who hasn't even played for 2 months? - not going to make them feel valued is it, take Carragher under McClown for example.
Dave the OAP
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I would venture to say that the message would be you have to be a better crosser of the ball, have as much passion for England and although you had been discarded by the previous manager, you had shown when you came back that you were for those minutes you were on the field to be the best player on the field.....basically you have to DESERVE to be in front of Beckham..
Didn't hargreaves get picked for England whist the German League was suspended due to terrible weather conditions a while ago and he hadn't played for a month or two.?
Although not on a par with Ronaldo
What the f*** has he got to do with it, we are talking about England not f***ing Portugal.
To be honest it may have been best if he was given his 100th cap in this game so we can get it over and done with and look to the future, every squad that is named now is going to have a Beckham circus around it.
Plus its not like he doesnt deserve it
Plus its not like he doesnt deserve it
But Carragher is a prick though, he retired because he couldnt take being low in the pecking order.
If he had bothered to hang around he would have got his chance in the Croatia match.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Yeah, thats it. Lets just dish out England caps to "get it over with". f*** it eh.
In this case it may have been for the best, I dont agree with it but there will be a silly amount of press surrounding Beckham every time a squad is named.
This wouldnt be an issue if that prick mcclown had picked him when he was still useful.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Absoutely SPOT ON again, Mr Samuel
Fabio Capello delivers clear message as public opinion gets the elbow
Martin Samuel, Chief Football Correspondent
The conversation went something like this. Do you want a 100th cap that is a charity job, a favour, a sop tossed to a sentimental public that will, in essence, mean nothing, coming as it does for all the wrong reasons; or do you want a century that is deserved, that brings with it the acknowledgement of a career that has life in it still, that can be crucial and significant and meaningful beyond all expectations?
Do you, David Beckham, want to have a goal in life or a fake gold clock? And, put like that, how could he logically resist? Indeed, how could anyone? The ego-strokers and proto-stalkers may fume impotently, but Fabio Capello has got his first big call absolutely right.
Footballers need to play football. No player can photo-shoot or interview his way into the England team. When Beckham collects his 100th cap it must be on merit, or exist without credibility. This is nothing to do with making a statement; this is about making sense.
Steve McClaren was right about Beckham, too, after the World Cup in 2006, but he lacked the conviction to justify his decision. Too concerned for his image, he allowed a judgment made for sound football reasons – Beckham’s England performances looked like those of a man who was taking his status for granted – to be corrupted by mistrust.
Many saw it as a PR stunt, one that misfired badly when the players McClaren had lined up for Beckham’s role, not least Steven Gerrard, failed to perform. Capello has no such complication. He exudes the gravitas that McClaren lacked and has framed his argument to the player in more encouraging terms. McClaren dropped Beckham because he did not think he could do it; Capello has left him out because he thinks he can and will, just not now, when he is lacking match fitness.
Beckham’s determination to remain in shape, training with Arsenal’s reserves during the Major League Soccer (MLS) close season, is admirable, but in recent weeks his advisers have reverted to type. There has been a round of friendly interviews, a rash of photographs showing off his toned upper torso, a couple of well-publicised meetings with the Prime Minister – who came obediently at the snap of David’s fingers, like a good little puppy dog – all designed to maintain his standing as the man Capello could not ignore.
Except he has, because to fall so tamely into line would make him no different to Sven-Göran Eriksson who raised a toast to Beckham’s century last month as if to deny it would be treachery. Everyone has seen where that charade ends and set against the cold rationality of Capello’s argument, how silly Eriksson’s moment seems now.
There is nothing but sentiment in Beckham’s corner this morning, the warped justifications of those who regard the rounding up of England appearances as due, or fair. Yet, as Beckham cannot be evaluated on form during the MLS close season, how fair would his selection be to players such as David Bentley, Ashley Young, Shaun Wright-Phillips or Gabriel Agbonlahor, who are playing well in one of the hardest leagues in the world? Would it be fair to ignore them, for what is no more than a ceremony?
Capello is no fool. He understands that the most successful football nations, the ones that experience sustained success in leading championships, are those that have kept the worth of international selection intact. Brazil may hawk the team out to the highest bidder, but every player attends, no matter where the venue. Italy treat all levels of international competition seriously – and Aaron Lennon would do well to remember that, before he sulks at his demotion to the under-21 team – and Capello never considered the visit of Switzerland as a trivial affair in which Beckham’s 100th cap might be tossed across the room like a bauble. There will be criticism of his selection of Michael Owen, and the suggestion that the striker has received preferential treatment, but that choice comes down to one factor alone: options – or, rather, the lack of them.
Meanwhile, the idea that thousands of people have paid under false pretences to watch Beckham reach three figures is laughable. The price of admission gives the purchaser the right to attend the match, not to pick the team. What next, a refund at the box office because the Arctic Monkeys do not take requests?
Through our interactive television culture, we have become a nation that believes it has the right to vote on everything. Capello, with his unblinking logic, is the antidote. He knows that his value judgments give greater worth to the dying ember of Beckham’s career than this muddled fan club, those who text and recite their messages of support and wish him anointed with 100 caps because it is only a friendly, and then the issue will go away. Distilled, the argument is that Beckham is past it, but he was good once and seems a decent bloke, so let him achieve his milestone and then he can toddle off to Los Angeles a happy man. If Beckham really wants that as his send-off, he truly is a dumb blond.
Not likely. Beckham is smart enough to understand Capello’s thinking and, it must be hoped, driven enough to make it work. He turned McClaren’s head from afar, and he can turn Capello’s, too. Football is about passing the ball and he still does it better than anybody in England’s midfield. His fitness is the issue and that is what must now be proven if he is to return to the squad for the matches in May and June (the friendly in France on March 26 will also come too soon for him as the Los Angeles Galaxy’s first competitive fixture of the season is not scheduled until March 29).
England play Scotland on May 28 and then travel across the Atlantic for an away match on June 1, with Trinidad & Tobago the likely destination, and by then the MLS season will be in full swing.
Capello’s encouragement to Beckham is that he may not only win his 100th cap, but also his 101st and more next season, providing he meets the standards required. Can a man stay fit for international football in Europe in the backwater of the MLS? Many think not, but Capello will decide, and this glimpse of his methodology at least indicates that he will always call it as he sees it. When the more emotional elements of English football have grown up and wiped the tears from their eyes, they should realise that Beckham, and his public, deserve no more.
Fabio Capello delivers clear message as public opinion gets the elbow
Martin Samuel, Chief Football Correspondent
The conversation went something like this. Do you want a 100th cap that is a charity job, a favour, a sop tossed to a sentimental public that will, in essence, mean nothing, coming as it does for all the wrong reasons; or do you want a century that is deserved, that brings with it the acknowledgement of a career that has life in it still, that can be crucial and significant and meaningful beyond all expectations?
Do you, David Beckham, want to have a goal in life or a fake gold clock? And, put like that, how could he logically resist? Indeed, how could anyone? The ego-strokers and proto-stalkers may fume impotently, but Fabio Capello has got his first big call absolutely right.
Footballers need to play football. No player can photo-shoot or interview his way into the England team. When Beckham collects his 100th cap it must be on merit, or exist without credibility. This is nothing to do with making a statement; this is about making sense.
Steve McClaren was right about Beckham, too, after the World Cup in 2006, but he lacked the conviction to justify his decision. Too concerned for his image, he allowed a judgment made for sound football reasons – Beckham’s England performances looked like those of a man who was taking his status for granted – to be corrupted by mistrust.
Many saw it as a PR stunt, one that misfired badly when the players McClaren had lined up for Beckham’s role, not least Steven Gerrard, failed to perform. Capello has no such complication. He exudes the gravitas that McClaren lacked and has framed his argument to the player in more encouraging terms. McClaren dropped Beckham because he did not think he could do it; Capello has left him out because he thinks he can and will, just not now, when he is lacking match fitness.
Beckham’s determination to remain in shape, training with Arsenal’s reserves during the Major League Soccer (MLS) close season, is admirable, but in recent weeks his advisers have reverted to type. There has been a round of friendly interviews, a rash of photographs showing off his toned upper torso, a couple of well-publicised meetings with the Prime Minister – who came obediently at the snap of David’s fingers, like a good little puppy dog – all designed to maintain his standing as the man Capello could not ignore.
Except he has, because to fall so tamely into line would make him no different to Sven-Göran Eriksson who raised a toast to Beckham’s century last month as if to deny it would be treachery. Everyone has seen where that charade ends and set against the cold rationality of Capello’s argument, how silly Eriksson’s moment seems now.
There is nothing but sentiment in Beckham’s corner this morning, the warped justifications of those who regard the rounding up of England appearances as due, or fair. Yet, as Beckham cannot be evaluated on form during the MLS close season, how fair would his selection be to players such as David Bentley, Ashley Young, Shaun Wright-Phillips or Gabriel Agbonlahor, who are playing well in one of the hardest leagues in the world? Would it be fair to ignore them, for what is no more than a ceremony?
Capello is no fool. He understands that the most successful football nations, the ones that experience sustained success in leading championships, are those that have kept the worth of international selection intact. Brazil may hawk the team out to the highest bidder, but every player attends, no matter where the venue. Italy treat all levels of international competition seriously – and Aaron Lennon would do well to remember that, before he sulks at his demotion to the under-21 team – and Capello never considered the visit of Switzerland as a trivial affair in which Beckham’s 100th cap might be tossed across the room like a bauble. There will be criticism of his selection of Michael Owen, and the suggestion that the striker has received preferential treatment, but that choice comes down to one factor alone: options – or, rather, the lack of them.
Meanwhile, the idea that thousands of people have paid under false pretences to watch Beckham reach three figures is laughable. The price of admission gives the purchaser the right to attend the match, not to pick the team. What next, a refund at the box office because the Arctic Monkeys do not take requests?
Through our interactive television culture, we have become a nation that believes it has the right to vote on everything. Capello, with his unblinking logic, is the antidote. He knows that his value judgments give greater worth to the dying ember of Beckham’s career than this muddled fan club, those who text and recite their messages of support and wish him anointed with 100 caps because it is only a friendly, and then the issue will go away. Distilled, the argument is that Beckham is past it, but he was good once and seems a decent bloke, so let him achieve his milestone and then he can toddle off to Los Angeles a happy man. If Beckham really wants that as his send-off, he truly is a dumb blond.
Not likely. Beckham is smart enough to understand Capello’s thinking and, it must be hoped, driven enough to make it work. He turned McClaren’s head from afar, and he can turn Capello’s, too. Football is about passing the ball and he still does it better than anybody in England’s midfield. His fitness is the issue and that is what must now be proven if he is to return to the squad for the matches in May and June (the friendly in France on March 26 will also come too soon for him as the Los Angeles Galaxy’s first competitive fixture of the season is not scheduled until March 29).
England play Scotland on May 28 and then travel across the Atlantic for an away match on June 1, with Trinidad & Tobago the likely destination, and by then the MLS season will be in full swing.
Capello’s encouragement to Beckham is that he may not only win his 100th cap, but also his 101st and more next season, providing he meets the standards required. Can a man stay fit for international football in Europe in the backwater of the MLS? Many think not, but Capello will decide, and this glimpse of his methodology at least indicates that he will always call it as he sees it. When the more emotional elements of English football have grown up and wiped the tears from their eyes, they should realise that Beckham, and his public, deserve no more.
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Mr 10 is right here, Beckham is very much a form/match fitness person. Anyone remember the 2002 WC after the metatarsal incident?
But I do think he still has something to offer the team, albeit as a sub/squad player.
But I do think he still has something to offer the team, albeit as a sub/squad player.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 31,269
Yep, Samuel IS spot on, and when you think about it the Scotland match would be perfect for Beckham's 100th cap.
Nicky Rust
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Shaun Wright-Phillips is a better player simple as that.
David Beckham is not in the team because he is not good enough and obviously wont be there for 2010. Sooooo good to see a manager at long last pick a team by performance not experience!
David Beckham is not in the team because he is not good enough and obviously wont be there for 2010. Sooooo good to see a manager at long last pick a team by performance not experience!
keaton
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- Nov 18, 2004
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Hhmm, so why is Owen in the squad? or Jenas who's played well twice in the last two years? Heskey was in it and he'd done very little before he got injured?
seagullsss
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- Jan 1, 2008
- 285
finally a proper manager but think he should of been picked hes a quality player
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
No, I'm afraid you're wrong on that.
He should not have been picked. That was my opinion before the squad was announced, and nothing I have read since then has altered my view on it one iota. Capello was quite right to leave him out. Martin Samuel has once again twatted the nail smack bang on the head with his article, and has reaffirmed his status as the finest sports hack out there.
He should not have been picked. That was my opinion before the squad was announced, and nothing I have read since then has altered my view on it one iota. Capello was quite right to leave him out. Martin Samuel has once again twatted the nail smack bang on the head with his article, and has reaffirmed his status as the finest sports hack out there.
Scotty Mac
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- Jul 13, 2003
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great article - and spot on