Beckham left out of Capellos squad

[NMH]

Why does Beckham as some of you say 'deserve' a hundred caps. As I see it.

(1) He is training on a beach in Brazil and hasn't played a competive game since we lost to Croatia.
(2) Under his captaincy we won precisely f*** all. His contribution in Euro 2004 was to walk up and down the wing injured, miss 2 key penalties (france & Portugal) including one where he almost slipped on his arse. He didn't inspire much better in 2006.
(3) Hasn't had a great game for England since that Greece game. In 2001.

As we also know Beckham plays his best football when he has a point to prove. Capello, I think, has got this one spot on. Play him if he does show form and fitness.

1) He was doing some kind of a promotion, adding to his considerable wealth - he'd been training at Arsenal FC to stay in contention for the England fixture
2) Under every manager since Hoddle we won f***-all. Under every manager previous to Hoddle (with whom we won the 'Tornoi De France') we won f***-all except one World Cup under Ramsey. He scored more important goals than you had hot dinners! Apparently his status is so huge from his successes, you now blame him for ANY failures!
3) Who has had a 'great game'? Who was 'great' in the Greece game? When Rooney got sent off v Portugal, was it Beckham's fault? Ronaldo's perhaps? or, was it, heaven tear the temple curtains, Rooney's fault?

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I gather you meant, then there is no reason for his future exclusion.
Apart from that I agree with your sentiment and would hope that Capello also goes by lack of form as well as lack of fitness, in which case there is no way he should have Gerrard in the squad. He's done nothing for England in the last 2 years and look at how Liverpool are struggling.

Thats right, he still has time to get picked for his 100th cap, and it also may mean more to Beckham to earn it in a competitive game that he can make a telling contribution to, and play the majority of, rather than just a friendly

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Very unfair and poor decision by Capello. If things don't start well for him, this will be another thing that increases the pressure. Whatever some people on here say, Beckham is VERY popular with England fans - you only need to go to a game to see that - and if Capello leaves him on 99 there will be many people who have a problem with him before he's even taken charge of a match. Even if he's got no intention of ever playing him again, he should be given some time as sub in this match in order to reach 100 in front of the fans that love him. f***ing pasta-eating, war-surrendering, ruddy-faced tosser

What utter rubbish, how can you slate a manager when he hasn't even had one game ffs, Capello has said that Beckham can still get into the squad in the future, It was McClown who dropped him when he first took charge, and said his international future was over, would the reaction towards his exclusion be the same if he was on 97 caps or 101? - no, everyone would be saying Capello was right to leave Beckham out

 

[Barrow Boy]

Thats right, he still has time to get picked for his 100th cap, and it also may mean more to Beckham to earn it in a competitive game that he can make a telling contribution to, and play the majority of, rather than just a friendly

The thing is, people are saying he's past it at 34, rubbish, he never has had any geat pace and he doesn't take players on. But I have yet to see a better passer, crossser of the ball or a better dead ball specialist, these are the reasons he should be in the squad.

 

[Bozza]

The thing is, people are saying he's past it at 34

Why would they say that?

(He's 32)

 

[Barrow Boy]

Why would they say that?

(He's 32)

Well he's even less past it then isn't he, I think

 

[clapham_gull]

Why would they say that?

(He's 32)

Same age as John Hartson

 

[Guy Fawkes]

The thing is, people are saying he's past it at 34, rubbish, he never has had any geat pace and he doesn't take players on. But I have yet to see a better passer, crossser of the ball or a better dead ball specialist, these are the reasons he should be in the squad.

Players in Italy tend to play to an older age anyway, Maldini for example, Beckham never had pace, so getting older will not ruin his game, skill players like Beckham can continue to play at higher levels, like Sheringham for example.

There is no reason for Beckham not to get to 100 caps, especially as Capello has said he can still figure in the team in the future

 

[REDLAND]

Who are these future England regulars?
There's no-one who springs to mind as an outstanding right-winger, so i'd play the bloke who's actually played well for England recently and can conjure up a goal

Bentley, J Cole and SWPs are all playing great at the moment, Beckham will get plently of other chances for the cap.. Lets get a statement out to the rest of the world next Friday that England are back and proper good (again)..

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Maybe. But I think such negative impact is minimal, if there at all.

Jesus, if not 15 minutes, make it 2.

As I say - I believe sentiment is a huge part of football and Beckham deserves a 100th cap and a chance to say 'goodbye' to Wembley and England fans. By doing it in this friendly it would get it all out the way and will bring an end to the whole "Beckham 100th cap" thing as early as possible.

Why goodbye? he may still figure for many more games after reaching 100 caps
And wouldn't it be better for Beckham's 100th cap to be more meaning or memorable than coming off the bench only for the final whistle to sound?

 

[DIFFBROOK]

Capello is not daft. He isn't making this decision just to be unpopular with certain fans etc. I think it says more about Capellos principles and also a message to the rest of the squad i.e shape up and start to show your club form for England or you may face the drop. Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard all take note.

We have been crying out for this in an England Manager, and now we have one who does it. In the long run, surely this can only be good for England.

As for Beckham, I dont believe that this is the end of the road. Its down to him to show Capello that he deserves to be in the team on merit. If he does, then he will win his 100th cap. But not before.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Capello is not daft. He isn't making this decision just to be unpopular with certain fans etc. I think it says more about Capellos principles and also a message to the rest of the squad i.e shape up and start to show your club form for England or you may face the drop. Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard all take note.

We have been crying out for this in an England Manager, and now we have one who does it. In the long run, surely this can only be good for England.

As for Beckham, I dont believe that this is the end of the road. Its down to him to show Capello that he deserves to be in the team on merit. If he does, then he will win his 100th cap. But not before.

Exactly!!! I agree 100%

 

[Hannibal smith]

1) He was doing some kind of a promotion, adding to his considerable wealth - he'd been training at Arsenal FC to stay in contention for the England fixture
2) Under every manager since Hoddle we won f***-all. Under every manager previous to Hoddle (with whom we won the 'Tornoi De France') we won f***-all except one World Cup under Ramsey. He scored more important goals than you had hot dinners! Apparently his status is so huge from his successes, you now blame him for ANY failures!
3) Who has had a 'great game'? Who was 'great' in the Greece game? When Rooney got sent off v Portugal, was it Beckham's fault? Ronaldo's perhaps? or, was it, heaven tear the temple curtains, Rooney's fault?

(1) Training with Arsenal? He needs to be playing and it doesn't look like he has done much training this week. What message does that send to Lennon or Bentley if he gets picked ahead of them?
(2) I've had a lot more than 2 hot dinners. As i all I can remember is Argentina (WC 2002), Greece Q2001. There may be more but he isn't some kind of goal machine to my mind. I went to 2004. He was shocking. The other team members carried him. Everyone forgets that though because like Gerrard seems to be now he is bullet proof no matter how abject he plays.
(3) I can't think of any England player who has had a great game certainly since before we lost to NI in the qualifier around 2005. Its a sad state of affairs that we are debating 100 caps for Beckham when we should be looking forward to Euro 2008.

 

[beorhthelm]

is beckham retiring in the next few weeks? no, so why the fuss. yes he deserves a 100th cap, but i reckon he'd rather get it as a first team pick than a testimonial 10minute run out. still has the next couple of years to make that happen.

 

[Pavilionaire]

This decision says a lot about Capello. It would have been easy for him to bring him on with 15 minutes left, but the probability that he is not going to make the squad tells you that Capello is a hard man. Either:

a) He has an issue with Beckham, doesn't like the thought that Beckham "won" their face-off in Real Madrid and is now seeking his revenge, or

b) He simply won't pick players who he considers not to be match-fit, regardless of who they are or the occasion, or

c) Both of the above.

I'm happy with this decision. The ONLY thing I care about is that England win something, and the message this sends out about Capello is far bigger than Beckham's 100th cap. I suspect Beckham knows Capello will bring him in later if other players aren't performing and Beckham's form and fitness are of the required class.

 

[keaton]

(1) Training with Arsenal? He needs to be playing and it doesn't look like he has done much training this week. What message does that send to Lennon or Bentley if he gets picked ahead of them?
QUOTE]

Play better? look vaguely like you deserve to be in the squad? don't turn down the U-21s?

 

[Easy 10]

So how come only 8 other people agreed with me and said NO on the "Should Beckham Get His 100th Cap ?" poll, yet now the decision has been made, the world and his dog are queuing up to say it was the RIGHT decision ?

Pah.

 

[NMH]

(1) Training with Arsenal? He needs to be playing and it doesn't look like he has done much training this week. What message does that send to Lennon or Bentley if he gets picked ahead of them?
(2) I've had a lot more than 2 hot dinners. As i all I can remember is Argentina (WC 2002), Greece Q2001. There may be more but he isn't some kind of goal machine to my mind. I went to 2004. He was shocking. The other team members carried him. Everyone forgets that though because like Gerrard seems to be now he is bullet proof no matter how abject he plays.
(3) I can't think of any England player who has had a great game certainly since before we lost to NI in the qualifier around 2005. Its a sad state of affairs that we are debating 100 caps for Beckham when we should be looking forward to Euro 2008.

1) Agreed, and those are better reasons not to be picking him - however, the message that players who are not competing in the same league season as each other (as the North American league is out at present) are not going to qualify to play for England, wouldn't go down well in other parts of the World. Not picking internationals because their league schedule is different? hmmm. What message does THAT send?
2) Poor memory. It also belies ANY reason to EVER pick Beckham, according to those criterias. Obviously you don't like him or think he should EVER have been captain! I won't bother asking who you do rate though, as there's not one player who has been absolutely brilliant all the time..... or even most of it!
3) Well I think you are right, we ought to be looking at Euro 08, but managers and the FA are another subject - and more to the point as to why we haven't qualified. Many will point at McClaren's decisions surrounding....yes, David Beckham, as a principal clue as to how we didn't qualify. Me included. I'd say his EXCLUSION kinda underlines the flaws in your arguments, as you seem to think he's not all that - yet when he was dropped we failed even more miserably.

4) I don't expect us to win anything under Cappello either. More years of failure and disappointment ahead, and another 'Sven' situation.... except at least SGE could speak English. The only redeeming thing I see about this appointment is that it's better than the useless McClown - but that ain't saying much. No, it's actually not saying anything really.

 

[Silent Bob]

So how come only 8 other people agreed with me and said NO on the "Should Beckham Get His 100th Cap ?" poll, yet now the decision has been made, the world and his dog are queuing up to say it was the RIGHT decision ?

Pah.

Because if they disagree Don Fabio will have them whacked.